Fortean Winds
An exploration of the UAP - UFO phenomenon and the associated "high strangeness" which accompanies it from the standpoint of analysts and researchers. Fortean Winds is a collective of data and research professionals who began a project in 2020 to better understand the UFO/UAP phenomenon from the perspective of existing research and evidence. After a few years study and note taking (which you can see at our website https://www.forteanwinds.com) , we're ready to discuss our notes and insights involving the UFO phenomenon.
Fortean Winds
The War for Perception: The Hidden Battle Behind UAPs, Theology, and Mind Control
What if the UFO phenomenon wasn’t just physical — but metaphysical? In this deep follow-up to “Aliens, Demons & Final Events: Oh My!” the Fortean Winds team dives headfirst into the operational theology behind the UAP narrative. Drawing from the Collins Elite revelations, the rise of the New Apostolic Reformation, and Fortean Winds' own layered research into UAP behavior, this episode unpacks the hidden war for perception — and reveals how theological ideologies are weaponizing the phenomenon to bring about real-world change.
Read more about the limo driver mentioned in the FBI files here: https://rememberingwinds.substack.com/p/epstein-files-unearth-2020-fbi-tip
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Our UFO Research Summary.
00;00;03;29 - 00;00;26;21
Unknown
Welcome to the Fortean Winds podcast, where we talk about high strangeness and the war for perception. I go by Bones and with us, as always, is from RamX. Hey. Hey, everybody. Hey! Off of him! Good to see you. I love doing those intros. So I get a lot of energy in that one. Yeah. So, last time. Wahh!
00;00;26;21 - 00;00;52;26
Unknown
CG aired the portal, we connected up these demons in the possibility that the US government isn't just studying the phenomenon, it's interpreting it and interpreting it theologically. So, you know, this episode, we're going to finish that arc. More importantly, we're going to trace how those beliefs left the black budget world and entered our politics and our pulpits.
00;00;52;28 - 00;01;17;25
Unknown
Maybe our future. If you've been listening to 14 winds for any length of time, you probably notice some key. Every story we cover eventually stops being about UFOs or fairies or demons, and it starts being about hopes to decide what things mean. Yeah, and I think our last episode highlights that maybe the best of any episode that we've done.
00;01;17;27 - 00;01;51;19
Unknown
When you talk about who gets to decide what UFOs mean and how that eventually ends up affecting you, even our politics, even what's happening in the media right now. Part of it's not about belief versus disbelief. It's about interpretation, control or what we often hear in the media today. Thrown around is narrative control. Who controls the narrative? And I think that's a really good thing that we're all looking at that, that we're all understanding that there is a narrative being built constantly, often.
00;01;51;26 - 00;02;20;19
Unknown
And who has controls, interpretation, controls, public reaction. Aeaaci s so critical fear and authority. Yup. Because a war for perception isn't fought with bombs. It's fought with definitions. You'll notice how we spend so much time on things like definitions. Author definition of Europe I cou Kerry proud of their subjective expressions of an unknown intelligence, but they're capable of interacting with us physically.
00;02;20;19 - 00;02;49;17
Unknown
They're capable of fully nuts and bolts. They redefine what we think of as physical and across history. The same phenomenon appears as angels, demons, fairies, jinn, commie, sasquatch, aliens, whatever. But these events alter belief and they destabilize identity because that's the other thing that your perception forms and forms your identity. And there's a big war for this right now.
00;02;49;20 - 00;03;20;00
Unknown
We hear this thrown around identity politics. This is right becoming a hot issue right now. It is through the manipulation of your perception that they can rewire your worldview. They can give you a view of your reality. Right. I mean, that's the whole of real birds in the digital cage concept, right? That's right. I think it's basically them creating the walls of the maze, then creating the bars of the cage.
00;03;20;03 - 00;03;48;21
Unknown
And that's done through narrative control. The narrative controls your perception. Your perception forms your world view, your worldview determines your behavior. If you think things are going really bad right now, you might be investing in gold, right? If you think things are going really good, maybe you're investing in U.S. treasuries. It seems like those are not I don't know how hot those are, but we spend a lot of time on definitions.
00;03;48;21 - 00;04;09;16
Unknown
As data analysts, we're like, you have to define something before you study it. First you define it, then you define the method by which you're going to track it. And then you define the method by which you're going to test it. And then you get the results. You have to do that all before you analyze the data that that's what a data analyst does.
00;04;09;16 - 00;04;43;21
Unknown
And that's how we can call balls and strikes, even if they're doing this for you at their level, right at a higher media narrative control level, that's what they're doing. They're creating the definitions and then they're telling you this is how we know they're true. So there's an old saying. But then Alan Moore, the graphic novelist, used it quis custodiet ispsos custodiet, which means who will watch the Watchmen and his graphic novel The Watchmen really explored that concept.
00;04;43;23 - 00;05;14;03
Unknown
But the general idea is if they're the people that are in charge and they're doing something wrong, or they're telling you something wrong, who's going to tell them right? There's nobody. So that's where we come in. Or what used to be the fourth Estate, the the journalist or right would, would step up. And there's still some of those today that there are still journalists that still fearlessly are reporting on all of the nonsense that's going on in the government.
00;05;14;06 - 00;05;50;09
Unknown
I would say Ryan Grimm over at, Breaking Points, is another journalist that has just really done some excellent work on this, Chris Hedges, Nick Bryant, these are all Whitney Web we've mentioned is another one that's really explored power circles without fear. And after the last episode, I don't think we're volleying around anymore. In between UFOs and power structures, we know that it's the power structure that holds the UFO information, and it's just like the Epstein files where people are like, why is everyone asking about Trump?
00;05;50;11 - 00;06;14;00
Unknown
Well, it's because it's Trump's DOJ, right? They're the ones that are denying the files. That's why they're like, is he in the files or is someone close to him in the files? What is he hiding? What are they covering up? That's why. Yeah. And even though I was excited to the place where we got to where we tied up, how folklore and mythology and power and UFOs are all working together.
00;06;14;02 - 00;06;46;03
Unknown
I happened to be doing some work on the side on the Epstein files, because we started game on ten to finish For Love, remember? Yeah, right. And in the latest release from The Epstein Files, there was a 2020 tip in there, and there was a bunch of tips from 2020 that came in. Basically, Trump goes out, Biden comes in, and a new wave of tips come about Trump afterward, people felt like maybe they were safer in order to do that.
00;06;46;05 - 00;07;11;23
Unknown
Or maybe some of them were political vendettas. And you have to look at the tips with all of that information and decide which ones might be real and which ones aren't. So there were tips that were more sensational than the one I'm about to tell you about, but none of them match the timeline, and this one did. And then there was corroborative evidence, and there were multiple witnesses to events, and there was no follow up by the FBI.
00;07;11;25 - 00;07;32;12
Unknown
And I thought that was strange. So I wrote a little article about it and it got shared on Reddit. And then someone tried to hack us, right. And the last time that happened, we were talking about Havana Syndrome. And I was like, boy, y'all don't really want me to talk about Havana Syndrome. And this time it's the Epstein files.
00;07;32;13 - 00;07;54;03
Unknown
And this is the second time that we have been treated with the Fortean Winds rule over talking about the Epstein files, when we're just talking about stuff that is plain old in the news. Right. And here is my advice to whatever intern that the NSA that may have tried to hack us every single time you do that, you're telling me where the bodies are buried.
00;07;54;06 - 00;08;26;18
Unknown
You are a dumb ass, right? I wasn't even going to talk about this on the show. I was just going to write the article, keep it in our notes and move on. But since you really don't want this getting out, I thought we'd tell thousands of people about it right now. Right on. So the tip comes in in 2020, and it alleges that a limo driver was driving Donald Trump from DFW Airport in Dallas, and he heard him on the phone in a very heated conversation talking about abusing some girl.
00;08;26;18 - 00;08;51;20
Unknown
And he kept using the name Jeffrey repeatedly. And according to limo Driver, whatever Trump was saying was so triggering that he was seconds away from pulling the limo over, pulling him out of the car and beating him senseless. So whatever it was was pretty bad. And then in 1999, the limo driver and his son are at an airport and they meet a woman and they mention Donald Trump.
00;08;51;22 - 00;09;19;01
Unknown
And she says, he raped me. And they both felt that her demeanor lent her a lot of credibility, and she feared retaliation. She was afraid someone was going to kill her right. And then in 2000, she dies. The woman was named Dusti Rhea Duke. She's from Oklahoma, and it was officially ruled a suicide. But the officers that came on the scene said there was no way that this was a suicide.
00;09;19;03 - 00;09;42;21
Unknown
Her head was blown off. This sounds very much like the other cases we had in the Epstein files. It sounds like the other deaths that we've seen in the House. And what's different about this tip is that the timeline of matches, the timeline matches when Trump and Epstein were friends and were hanging out together. Right. Her account puts them in places where they were.
00;09;42;23 - 00;10;04;06
Unknown
So she didn't know that. So when the timeline matches and there's multiple witnesses and there's a suspicious death, there's enough for a follow up. And the FBI did nothing. And this was Biden's DOJ. I thought that no one could be worse than Merrick Garland at the job of attorney general. And then Pam Bondi came along and said, hold my Cosmo.
00;10;04;08 - 00;10;26;26
Unknown
Right. And a lot of, very telling, too, is that a lot of those victims were really traumatized, and they publicly stated that they are not suicidal. I mean, that's how close it is to them. They're like, if anything happens to me, I am not suicidal. I mean, that really spooked out. And then they show up dead. Yeah.
00;10;26;29 - 00;10;49;13
Unknown
And we all just keep going along with it. But we don't have to at this point. Congress has passed a bill for the Epstein Transparency Act, and the white House is refusing to give over the files. And this was in the part of the 1% of the Epstein files that they actually released. So imagine what's in the other 99%.
00;10;49;16 - 00;11;13;02
Unknown
It's not good. Yeah. One of the things that really gets me is that the House speaker, Mike Johnson, actually made a statement saying that, all the files shouldn't be released in order to protect basically the political order. And that is so telling. And I really don't think he knew what he was saying, because he's basically admitting that the political order is based on corruption.
00;11;13;04 - 00;11;35;03
Unknown
A 1 in 1,000,000 moment for Mike Johnson. He was honest. Yeah. In the truth. I mean, this is what we've been saying in the public and people are calling investigative journalists conspiracy theories. Right. And it's crazy how there was such a lack of interest in this story until it did involve Trump, until it did did go that far.
00;11;35;04 - 00;12;03;11
Unknown
You know? Yeah. These victims have been around for decades now. Like, yeah, finally. And it hasn't gone anywhere. It's at least partially behind the invasion of Venezuela, behind the invasion of Minneapolis. Yeah. It's everything that's possible to distract you because it's a war for your perception. It doesn't want you to perceive him as a pederast and an abuser.
00;12;03;16 - 00;12;27;07
Unknown
He wants you to see him as a strong man and fear him. Yeah. So that you don't ask about the Epstein files. Right. So in the case of Dusti Rhea Duke, we need to demand open verification of the police report. And Kiefer, the medical examiner's ruling, death scene photos and a reports and an autopsy file. That's a good start.
00;12;27;09 - 00;12;59;04
Unknown
Yeah, I think someone can track down the limo driver. His son. And it's sheer madness that this theological group would ally themselves with the most evil and prolific traffickers of our time. Maxwell is in prison, and she's getting special treatment, and everyone's asking why. Yeah, and it's coming from the white House. It's becoming very obvious. I mean, yeah, it's incredibly obvious.
00;12;59;04 - 00;13;28;10
Unknown
And if you want to make this theological, I mean, what does that say? What does that say about who the Antichrist is and what's happening with the church? Right. You're not going to like the answers. This phenomenon is intelligent. It's interactive. It responds to belief, it responds to fear, and it responds to expectation. It destabilizes this ontology and destabilizes what you think is real.
00;13;28;13 - 00;13;54;10
Unknown
All it has to do is show up and blow up your world, right? Yeah.
00;13;54;13 - 00;14;14;15
Unknown
And these people like the Collins elite and the elitist. And when we talk about the elite, the financial is the 1%. I want to make something clear. We're not actually talking about 1%. We're talking about 0.1%. Right. That's when we did our analysis. That's the financial analysis. Regular millionaires aren't the ones trying to destroy the world. It's the billionaires.
00;14;14;15 - 00;14;34;10
Unknown
You got to have hundreds of millions to get into that game. Yeah. Which is great because it also gives us a smaller target. We know who those people are. It's difficult to hide that kind of money. Yeah. And when you think about it, those are the only two ways to move people. Money or belief. With enough money, you can get an army.
00;14;34;12 - 00;15;00;13
Unknown
With enough belief, you can get an army. You combine both and you've got your army. Yeah. And what's wild is, you know, like we talked about in the last episode, Nick Redferns book, the final events. I mean, he basically saw this happening in 2010. Yeah. He was his witness was saying, this is the plan in 2010. Biblical big brother, we're going to start a Christian fascist takeover.
00;15;00;16 - 00;15;27;07
Unknown
And there's a war for the narrative around that and telling people that's not happening because these guys are all coming out of Intel. They're coming from counter Intel, they're coming from PsyOps. I mean, these guys are coming straight out of the government. They've been building their own paramilitary. Yeah. And now we're seeing them on the street. Right. And then these are, people that actually believe in UFOs, right?
00;15;27;07 - 00;15;49;09
Unknown
They're not debunking the existence of UFOs, but they just think, I don't know. Do they believe in us? Yeah. Exactly. That. It's not that they believe in UFOs. They believe in demons. Right? Right. And when you believe in demons, it becomes a holy war. All of a sudden, anything you do is justified. Shooting someone in the back is justified, right?
00;15;49;10 - 00;16;12;10
Unknown
Shooting a mother in the face is justified because she's really a demon. Yeah. The other, you know, 20 tens, an important year or two when you think about the, the spread of, social media, you know, it really was, starting to accelerate in 2010 where everyone was is grandma and uncle were signing up. Yeah. Good point.
00;16;12;11 - 00;16;35;05
Unknown
That does align with the Facebook timeline, doesn't it? Yeah. Was like that golden moment where everybody was like, hey, oh my gosh, I haven't seen you in forever. And then they started hearing their political beliefs and going, I think it should be another 40 years before I hear from you. Yeah. Right. Oh, that's why I haven't talked to you in 20 years.
00;16;35;07 - 00;16;57;13
Unknown
It really is a tragedy, though, when you think about it, because, you know, the beginning of of social networks, it was, I guess, more it was more fun. It was a little more innocent and, and, people thought it was going to liberate. Yeah. That's why I refer to. Yeah, totally. I refer to that Facebook time as a golden moment.
00;16;57;13 - 00;17;16;26
Unknown
It actually was nice. Yeah. And before we allowed all this to trigger us, it was funny. It was funny to watch your uncle go off about the water pressure and blame it on whatever political party was in charge, like, yeah, I'm with you. But on that note, I also want to clear up because we're going to end up talking about politics and geopolitics a lot.
00;17;16;28 - 00;17;36;09
Unknown
And it's fair to ask, what is it? What are our biases? I can tell you my bias right now is that I hate both political parties. This is how I see them. I see Republicans as being bought and controlled by the donor class, and I see Democrats being controlled by the donor class to play controlled opposition to the Republicans.
00;17;36;12 - 00;18;02;08
Unknown
Right? Yeah, it's a big game. And there are individuals in both parties that prove me wrong. And I like those individuals. That's how I look at it. Yeah, I see every policy as a problem. I think there should be a solution. I think stop bundling problems that don't belong together and demanding one solution for all of them. And I'm rational to a fault so that that's my party.
00;18;02;08 - 00;18;21;28
Unknown
I'm in the Rationalist Party. I think common sense should win. Yeah, it's just a it's a tragedy because, you know, we have this world Wide web and people just silo that. They choose to silo themselves. And that's really what social media does. Yeah, it's really divided us into tribes. And there were people behind it. That's why we're talking about it.
00;18;21;28 - 00;18;44;27
Unknown
There were people who recognized that, who manipulated it. And then if you look at the war for influence around Charlie Kirk, that's being talked about, and the people that are investigating his assassination, you are getting an inside look at how much the billionaires really want to control the influencers. And I'm really interested in that. I think that that's a fascinating new development.
00;18;45;00 - 00;19;11;28
Unknown
Yeah, they're open about it too. Yes. And some influencers are open about the fact that they're being paid others or not. Yeah. And what we have now is we have departments in the federal government with budgets for influencers. I mean, the government itself is now that's crazy. Yeah, yeah. And then the hundreds of millions that Kristi Noem wanted to spend to advertise Ice.
00;19;12;00 - 00;19;51;15
Unknown
What are you advertising? No one's buying anything. Right? Right. It's pretty strange. What's happening now is beyond corrupt. I feel like we're watching the end of a civilization if we allow that. Because this is how every major civilization has died. It's from within. That's how Rome died. It died from within. And it died just like this. So whether we want to be or not, whether Bledsoe or whomever is right, about 26 or 27 being the precipice of a new age, we are on the edge of a new age because our culture, our society, our demographics are changing.
00;19;51;18 - 00;20;17;19
Unknown
Yeah. One of the great myths in the media right now is the great replacement theory. And this is the idea that white people are actively being replaced by brown people in the United States. And this is fueling a lot of anti-immigration sentiment. Right. One thing I would like to say about that is, in effect, it's true there is a shrinking white majority in this country.
00;20;17;22 - 00;20;42;18
Unknown
And the number one reason for that is the birth rate. It's not immigration, it's the birth rate. And they're using immigration to replace bodies because the birth rate is not keeping up right. And I think it's a conversation worth having of whether or not that's the right strategy. I think we should all be looking at what does America look like if we just let it get smaller?
00;20;42;18 - 00;21;08;26
Unknown
How would we handle that? These are good questions to ask, and most Americans are for stronger border security. The Obama administration deported a lot more people than the Trump administration. So what we're seeing on the streets right now is performative cruelty. He's not actually solving the problem. They're creating a spectacle on purpose for perception. Yeah. There it is.
00;21;08;26 - 00;21;40;22
Unknown
Yeah. War for your perception. Yep. And whether we're looking at the Epstein files, we're looking at what's happening on the streets in Minneapolis, or whether we're looking at who controls UFOs. We always ask the same question who gains from this interpretation? Look to see who will benefit. So who benefits from demonic framing of UFOs? Who benefits from having centralized authority using religious legitimacy for force?
00;21;40;24 - 00;22;10;22
Unknown
Moral immunity? Who benefits from that? So the people that benefit are the ones that want to maintain full control, and they want to do things that are going to be against your will, that are binary, against the majority's benefit, and toward a small group. This is how these things always work. They've always worked that way through history. People don't just take over the government, install an authoritarian government in order to help the people, right?
00;22;10;25 - 00;22;40;24
Unknown
It's always to help themselves. And there were names that we've brought up, like Ferris, and we talked about the church political hybrids in Texas. And the Wilks brothers own the Daily Wire. That's really strange because when you talk about the Collins elite and how there are people that are in deep within the government, even the defense industry who believe in it, who believe in the interpretation that these UAPs are demons.
00;22;40;26 - 00;23;04;26
Unknown
But when you go that high level, you know, it's hard. You try to decipher what's being consciously used as a propaganda tool or tool of perception and control, and how many of them actually really do believe and what they're saying. It's a great question, and I think the ones that believe in what they're saying often get taken advantage of by people who don't.
00;23;04;26 - 00;23;29;27
Unknown
I hear the right response so often why would he lie? But why would he lie? And I'm like, why would anyone just use money power? Yeah, right. Like, you know, because they felt stupid that day. You know, there's so many reasons why they would lie. They're bad person. They were wrong. And the real danger isn't the UFOs or demons.
00;23;30;01 - 00;23;51;28
Unknown
The real danger is what humans do when they convince themselves that they're fighting demons. Yeah, right. And this gets us into the five D chess of the invisible world. Like, where is the devil here. Yeah. Where are you seeing the devil? I mean, it seems pretty apparent to me where I would see it. If you miss it, you have to point a finger right now, right?
00;23;52;00 - 00;24;16;11
Unknown
I think I would have no problem pointing finger at certain things like, you know, murder, abuse, things like that. And this goes back to how people explain the phenomenon and when they explain it to someone with certainty, because then that gives them power. It's like if I give you the explanation to the secrets of life, you know, that gives me power.
00;24;16;11 - 00;24;39;26
Unknown
Now I control what you do to pursue those secrets of life. Yeah. That's why we're not here to tell you what the phenomenon is. We're here to tell you that the moment someone claims absolute certainty about it, that's when you should be worried. Yeah. The war for perception isn't about aliens or demons. It's about whether your curiosity can survive fear.
00;24;39;28 - 00;25;08;11
Unknown
This phenomenon responds to belief. It responds to expectation. But we've heard multiple witnesses say when they don't seem to have a belief, or when they don't seem to have an expectation, the encounter goes very differently. So we have to ask ourselves, why do UFOs keep changing? Why does theology keep appearing when they change? And why do power structures care so much about all of it?
00;25;08;13 - 00;25;35;01
Unknown
Yeah, and this will inform our future because AI is becoming a perception engine, much like the Google algorithm was able to alter your perception of the world. I can do that without hitting the web. Yeah, right. And you can do it with, kind of a sultry, sexy voice too, that really thinks your ideas are great. You know?
00;25;35;03 - 00;26;01;09
Unknown
But UFOs keep changing so that we don't know what they are. And theology keeps appearing in order to explain what they are. And the power structures care so much because they utilize those beliefs in order to control us. Right. So I think we'll keep this short because this is really kind of a turning point for us. We're going to start focusing on the war for perception.
00;26;01;11 - 00;26;28;12
Unknown
Yeah. It's what it's what it all is really when when you step back. And that involves a lot more than UFOs. Oh yeah. We have to do a shout out to our sponsor, Blissani Yeah. Blissani is a vegan skincare company that specializes in anti-aging and acne. We like their products. I especially like the fact that they're vegan and organic, and I know that putting it on my skin won't harm my internal organs.
00;26;28;14 - 00;26;54;18
Unknown
What? The best part is it, the best part is I'm not applying poison onto my skin. So in the next episode, I really like to look into, you know, what is an actual psyop? Because like you said earlier, it's, it's a term that's basically being overused. Now, but it's an important term. Yeah, I think that'd be a great one for us to focus on.
00;26;54;18 - 00;27;14;27
Unknown
And we can go all the way into the military manuals on what is, I hope is, and then write what the public perception of a psyop is and what the intention of all that is, because we're looking at multiple psyops here. Yeah, they're everywhere. And the phenomenon itself, kilo is described it as a psyop. So I think we can tie that in as well.
00;27;15;00 - 00;27;30;15
Unknown
Yeah. Right. Right. All right little Fortean Winds episode coming up. Yeah. There you go. All right. Well, thanks. Ram. And, thanks everyone for listening. Please visit our website at, 14 wins.com. Thanks, everyone. Take care.
00;00;03;29 - 00;00;26;21
Unknown
Welcome to the Fortean Winds podcast, where we talk about high strangeness and the war for perception. I go by Bones and with us, as always, is from RamX. Hey. Hey, everybody. Hey! Off of him! Good to see you. I love doing those intros. So I get a lot of energy in that one. Yeah. So, last time. Wahh!
00;00;26;21 - 00;00;52;26
Unknown
CG aired the portal, we connected up these demons in the possibility that the US government isn't just studying the phenomenon, it's interpreting it and interpreting it theologically. So, you know, this episode, we're going to finish that arc. More importantly, we're going to trace how those beliefs left the black budget world and entered our politics and our pulpits.
00;00;52;28 - 00;01;17;25
Unknown
Maybe our future. If you've been listening to 14 winds for any length of time, you probably notice some key. Every story we cover eventually stops being about UFOs or fairies or demons, and it starts being about hopes to decide what things mean. Yeah, and I think our last episode highlights that maybe the best of any episode that we've done.
00;01;17;27 - 00;01;51;19
Unknown
When you talk about who gets to decide what UFOs mean and how that eventually ends up affecting you, even our politics, even what's happening in the media right now. Part of it's not about belief versus disbelief. It's about interpretation, control or what we often hear in the media today. Thrown around is narrative control. Who controls the narrative? And I think that's a really good thing that we're all looking at that, that we're all understanding that there is a narrative being built constantly, often.
00;01;51;26 - 00;02;20;19
Unknown
And who has controls, interpretation, controls, public reaction. Aeaaci s so critical fear and authority. Yup. Because a war for perception isn't fought with bombs. It's fought with definitions. You'll notice how we spend so much time on things like definitions. Author definition of Europe I cou Kerry proud of their subjective expressions of an unknown intelligence, but they're capable of interacting with us physically.
00;02;20;19 - 00;02;49;17
Unknown
They're capable of fully nuts and bolts. They redefine what we think of as physical and across history. The same phenomenon appears as angels, demons, fairies, jinn, commie, sasquatch, aliens, whatever. But these events alter belief and they destabilize identity because that's the other thing that your perception forms and forms your identity. And there's a big war for this right now.
00;02;49;20 - 00;03;20;00
Unknown
We hear this thrown around identity politics. This is right becoming a hot issue right now. It is through the manipulation of your perception that they can rewire your worldview. They can give you a view of your reality. Right. I mean, that's the whole of real birds in the digital cage concept, right? That's right. I think it's basically them creating the walls of the maze, then creating the bars of the cage.
00;03;20;03 - 00;03;48;21
Unknown
And that's done through narrative control. The narrative controls your perception. Your perception forms your world view, your worldview determines your behavior. If you think things are going really bad right now, you might be investing in gold, right? If you think things are going really good, maybe you're investing in U.S. treasuries. It seems like those are not I don't know how hot those are, but we spend a lot of time on definitions.
00;03;48;21 - 00;04;09;16
Unknown
As data analysts, we're like, you have to define something before you study it. First you define it, then you define the method by which you're going to track it. And then you define the method by which you're going to test it. And then you get the results. You have to do that all before you analyze the data that that's what a data analyst does.
00;04;09;16 - 00;04;43;21
Unknown
And that's how we can call balls and strikes, even if they're doing this for you at their level, right at a higher media narrative control level, that's what they're doing. They're creating the definitions and then they're telling you this is how we know they're true. So there's an old saying. But then Alan Moore, the graphic novelist, used it quis custodiet ispsos custodiet, which means who will watch the Watchmen and his graphic novel The Watchmen really explored that concept.
00;04;43;23 - 00;05;14;03
Unknown
But the general idea is if they're the people that are in charge and they're doing something wrong, or they're telling you something wrong, who's going to tell them right? There's nobody. So that's where we come in. Or what used to be the fourth Estate, the the journalist or right would, would step up. And there's still some of those today that there are still journalists that still fearlessly are reporting on all of the nonsense that's going on in the government.
00;05;14;06 - 00;05;50;09
Unknown
I would say Ryan Grimm over at, Breaking Points, is another journalist that has just really done some excellent work on this, Chris Hedges, Nick Bryant, these are all Whitney Web we've mentioned is another one that's really explored power circles without fear. And after the last episode, I don't think we're volleying around anymore. In between UFOs and power structures, we know that it's the power structure that holds the UFO information, and it's just like the Epstein files where people are like, why is everyone asking about Trump?
00;05;50;11 - 00;06;14;00
Unknown
Well, it's because it's Trump's DOJ, right? They're the ones that are denying the files. That's why they're like, is he in the files or is someone close to him in the files? What is he hiding? What are they covering up? That's why. Yeah. And even though I was excited to the place where we got to where we tied up, how folklore and mythology and power and UFOs are all working together.
00;06;14;02 - 00;06;46;03
Unknown
I happened to be doing some work on the side on the Epstein files, because we started game on ten to finish For Love, remember? Yeah, right. And in the latest release from The Epstein Files, there was a 2020 tip in there, and there was a bunch of tips from 2020 that came in. Basically, Trump goes out, Biden comes in, and a new wave of tips come about Trump afterward, people felt like maybe they were safer in order to do that.
00;06;46;05 - 00;07;11;23
Unknown
Or maybe some of them were political vendettas. And you have to look at the tips with all of that information and decide which ones might be real and which ones aren't. So there were tips that were more sensational than the one I'm about to tell you about, but none of them match the timeline, and this one did. And then there was corroborative evidence, and there were multiple witnesses to events, and there was no follow up by the FBI.
00;07;11;25 - 00;07;32;12
Unknown
And I thought that was strange. So I wrote a little article about it and it got shared on Reddit. And then someone tried to hack us, right. And the last time that happened, we were talking about Havana Syndrome. And I was like, boy, y'all don't really want me to talk about Havana Syndrome. And this time it's the Epstein files.
00;07;32;13 - 00;07;54;03
Unknown
And this is the second time that we have been treated with the Fortean Winds rule over talking about the Epstein files, when we're just talking about stuff that is plain old in the news. Right. And here is my advice to whatever intern that the NSA that may have tried to hack us every single time you do that, you're telling me where the bodies are buried.
00;07;54;06 - 00;08;26;18
Unknown
You are a dumb ass, right? I wasn't even going to talk about this on the show. I was just going to write the article, keep it in our notes and move on. But since you really don't want this getting out, I thought we'd tell thousands of people about it right now. Right on. So the tip comes in in 2020, and it alleges that a limo driver was driving Donald Trump from DFW Airport in Dallas, and he heard him on the phone in a very heated conversation talking about abusing some girl.
00;08;26;18 - 00;08;51;20
Unknown
And he kept using the name Jeffrey repeatedly. And according to limo Driver, whatever Trump was saying was so triggering that he was seconds away from pulling the limo over, pulling him out of the car and beating him senseless. So whatever it was was pretty bad. And then in 1999, the limo driver and his son are at an airport and they meet a woman and they mention Donald Trump.
00;08;51;22 - 00;09;19;01
Unknown
And she says, he raped me. And they both felt that her demeanor lent her a lot of credibility, and she feared retaliation. She was afraid someone was going to kill her right. And then in 2000, she dies. The woman was named Dusti Rhea Duke. She's from Oklahoma, and it was officially ruled a suicide. But the officers that came on the scene said there was no way that this was a suicide.
00;09;19;03 - 00;09;42;21
Unknown
Her head was blown off. This sounds very much like the other cases we had in the Epstein files. It sounds like the other deaths that we've seen in the House. And what's different about this tip is that the timeline of matches, the timeline matches when Trump and Epstein were friends and were hanging out together. Right. Her account puts them in places where they were.
00;09;42;23 - 00;10;04;06
Unknown
So she didn't know that. So when the timeline matches and there's multiple witnesses and there's a suspicious death, there's enough for a follow up. And the FBI did nothing. And this was Biden's DOJ. I thought that no one could be worse than Merrick Garland at the job of attorney general. And then Pam Bondi came along and said, hold my Cosmo.
00;10;04;08 - 00;10;26;26
Unknown
Right. And a lot of, very telling, too, is that a lot of those victims were really traumatized, and they publicly stated that they are not suicidal. I mean, that's how close it is to them. They're like, if anything happens to me, I am not suicidal. I mean, that really spooked out. And then they show up dead. Yeah.
00;10;26;29 - 00;10;49;13
Unknown
And we all just keep going along with it. But we don't have to at this point. Congress has passed a bill for the Epstein Transparency Act, and the white House is refusing to give over the files. And this was in the part of the 1% of the Epstein files that they actually released. So imagine what's in the other 99%.
00;10;49;16 - 00;11;13;02
Unknown
It's not good. Yeah. One of the things that really gets me is that the House speaker, Mike Johnson, actually made a statement saying that, all the files shouldn't be released in order to protect basically the political order. And that is so telling. And I really don't think he knew what he was saying, because he's basically admitting that the political order is based on corruption.
00;11;13;04 - 00;11;35;03
Unknown
A 1 in 1,000,000 moment for Mike Johnson. He was honest. Yeah. In the truth. I mean, this is what we've been saying in the public and people are calling investigative journalists conspiracy theories. Right. And it's crazy how there was such a lack of interest in this story until it did involve Trump, until it did did go that far.
00;11;35;04 - 00;12;03;11
Unknown
You know? Yeah. These victims have been around for decades now. Like, yeah, finally. And it hasn't gone anywhere. It's at least partially behind the invasion of Venezuela, behind the invasion of Minneapolis. Yeah. It's everything that's possible to distract you because it's a war for your perception. It doesn't want you to perceive him as a pederast and an abuser.
00;12;03;16 - 00;12;27;07
Unknown
He wants you to see him as a strong man and fear him. Yeah. So that you don't ask about the Epstein files. Right. So in the case of Dusti Rhea Duke, we need to demand open verification of the police report. And Kiefer, the medical examiner's ruling, death scene photos and a reports and an autopsy file. That's a good start.
00;12;27;09 - 00;12;59;04
Unknown
Yeah, I think someone can track down the limo driver. His son. And it's sheer madness that this theological group would ally themselves with the most evil and prolific traffickers of our time. Maxwell is in prison, and she's getting special treatment, and everyone's asking why. Yeah, and it's coming from the white House. It's becoming very obvious. I mean, yeah, it's incredibly obvious.
00;12;59;04 - 00;13;28;10
Unknown
And if you want to make this theological, I mean, what does that say? What does that say about who the Antichrist is and what's happening with the church? Right. You're not going to like the answers. This phenomenon is intelligent. It's interactive. It responds to belief, it responds to fear, and it responds to expectation. It destabilizes this ontology and destabilizes what you think is real.
00;13;28;13 - 00;13;54;10
Unknown
All it has to do is show up and blow up your world, right? Yeah.
00;13;54;13 - 00;14;14;15
Unknown
And these people like the Collins elite and the elitist. And when we talk about the elite, the financial is the 1%. I want to make something clear. We're not actually talking about 1%. We're talking about 0.1%. Right. That's when we did our analysis. That's the financial analysis. Regular millionaires aren't the ones trying to destroy the world. It's the billionaires.
00;14;14;15 - 00;14;34;10
Unknown
You got to have hundreds of millions to get into that game. Yeah. Which is great because it also gives us a smaller target. We know who those people are. It's difficult to hide that kind of money. Yeah. And when you think about it, those are the only two ways to move people. Money or belief. With enough money, you can get an army.
00;14;34;12 - 00;15;00;13
Unknown
With enough belief, you can get an army. You combine both and you've got your army. Yeah. And what's wild is, you know, like we talked about in the last episode, Nick Redferns book, the final events. I mean, he basically saw this happening in 2010. Yeah. He was his witness was saying, this is the plan in 2010. Biblical big brother, we're going to start a Christian fascist takeover.
00;15;00;16 - 00;15;27;07
Unknown
And there's a war for the narrative around that and telling people that's not happening because these guys are all coming out of Intel. They're coming from counter Intel, they're coming from PsyOps. I mean, these guys are coming straight out of the government. They've been building their own paramilitary. Yeah. And now we're seeing them on the street. Right. And then these are, people that actually believe in UFOs, right?
00;15;27;07 - 00;15;49;09
Unknown
They're not debunking the existence of UFOs, but they just think, I don't know. Do they believe in us? Yeah. Exactly. That. It's not that they believe in UFOs. They believe in demons. Right? Right. And when you believe in demons, it becomes a holy war. All of a sudden, anything you do is justified. Shooting someone in the back is justified, right?
00;15;49;10 - 00;16;12;10
Unknown
Shooting a mother in the face is justified because she's really a demon. Yeah. The other, you know, 20 tens, an important year or two when you think about the, the spread of, social media, you know, it really was, starting to accelerate in 2010 where everyone was is grandma and uncle were signing up. Yeah. Good point.
00;16;12;11 - 00;16;35;05
Unknown
That does align with the Facebook timeline, doesn't it? Yeah. Was like that golden moment where everybody was like, hey, oh my gosh, I haven't seen you in forever. And then they started hearing their political beliefs and going, I think it should be another 40 years before I hear from you. Yeah. Right. Oh, that's why I haven't talked to you in 20 years.
00;16;35;07 - 00;16;57;13
Unknown
It really is a tragedy, though, when you think about it, because, you know, the beginning of of social networks, it was, I guess, more it was more fun. It was a little more innocent and, and, people thought it was going to liberate. Yeah. That's why I refer to. Yeah, totally. I refer to that Facebook time as a golden moment.
00;16;57;13 - 00;17;16;26
Unknown
It actually was nice. Yeah. And before we allowed all this to trigger us, it was funny. It was funny to watch your uncle go off about the water pressure and blame it on whatever political party was in charge, like, yeah, I'm with you. But on that note, I also want to clear up because we're going to end up talking about politics and geopolitics a lot.
00;17;16;28 - 00;17;36;09
Unknown
And it's fair to ask, what is it? What are our biases? I can tell you my bias right now is that I hate both political parties. This is how I see them. I see Republicans as being bought and controlled by the donor class, and I see Democrats being controlled by the donor class to play controlled opposition to the Republicans.
00;17;36;12 - 00;18;02;08
Unknown
Right? Yeah, it's a big game. And there are individuals in both parties that prove me wrong. And I like those individuals. That's how I look at it. Yeah, I see every policy as a problem. I think there should be a solution. I think stop bundling problems that don't belong together and demanding one solution for all of them. And I'm rational to a fault so that that's my party.
00;18;02;08 - 00;18;21;28
Unknown
I'm in the Rationalist Party. I think common sense should win. Yeah, it's just a it's a tragedy because, you know, we have this world Wide web and people just silo that. They choose to silo themselves. And that's really what social media does. Yeah, it's really divided us into tribes. And there were people behind it. That's why we're talking about it.
00;18;21;28 - 00;18;44;27
Unknown
There were people who recognized that, who manipulated it. And then if you look at the war for influence around Charlie Kirk, that's being talked about, and the people that are investigating his assassination, you are getting an inside look at how much the billionaires really want to control the influencers. And I'm really interested in that. I think that that's a fascinating new development.
00;18;45;00 - 00;19;11;28
Unknown
Yeah, they're open about it too. Yes. And some influencers are open about the fact that they're being paid others or not. Yeah. And what we have now is we have departments in the federal government with budgets for influencers. I mean, the government itself is now that's crazy. Yeah, yeah. And then the hundreds of millions that Kristi Noem wanted to spend to advertise Ice.
00;19;12;00 - 00;19;51;15
Unknown
What are you advertising? No one's buying anything. Right? Right. It's pretty strange. What's happening now is beyond corrupt. I feel like we're watching the end of a civilization if we allow that. Because this is how every major civilization has died. It's from within. That's how Rome died. It died from within. And it died just like this. So whether we want to be or not, whether Bledsoe or whomever is right, about 26 or 27 being the precipice of a new age, we are on the edge of a new age because our culture, our society, our demographics are changing.
00;19;51;18 - 00;20;17;19
Unknown
Yeah. One of the great myths in the media right now is the great replacement theory. And this is the idea that white people are actively being replaced by brown people in the United States. And this is fueling a lot of anti-immigration sentiment. Right. One thing I would like to say about that is, in effect, it's true there is a shrinking white majority in this country.
00;20;17;22 - 00;20;42;18
Unknown
And the number one reason for that is the birth rate. It's not immigration, it's the birth rate. And they're using immigration to replace bodies because the birth rate is not keeping up right. And I think it's a conversation worth having of whether or not that's the right strategy. I think we should all be looking at what does America look like if we just let it get smaller?
00;20;42;18 - 00;21;08;26
Unknown
How would we handle that? These are good questions to ask, and most Americans are for stronger border security. The Obama administration deported a lot more people than the Trump administration. So what we're seeing on the streets right now is performative cruelty. He's not actually solving the problem. They're creating a spectacle on purpose for perception. Yeah. There it is.
00;21;08;26 - 00;21;40;22
Unknown
Yeah. War for your perception. Yep. And whether we're looking at the Epstein files, we're looking at what's happening on the streets in Minneapolis, or whether we're looking at who controls UFOs. We always ask the same question who gains from this interpretation? Look to see who will benefit. So who benefits from demonic framing of UFOs? Who benefits from having centralized authority using religious legitimacy for force?
00;21;40;24 - 00;22;10;22
Unknown
Moral immunity? Who benefits from that? So the people that benefit are the ones that want to maintain full control, and they want to do things that are going to be against your will, that are binary, against the majority's benefit, and toward a small group. This is how these things always work. They've always worked that way through history. People don't just take over the government, install an authoritarian government in order to help the people, right?
00;22;10;25 - 00;22;40;24
Unknown
It's always to help themselves. And there were names that we've brought up, like Ferris, and we talked about the church political hybrids in Texas. And the Wilks brothers own the Daily Wire. That's really strange because when you talk about the Collins elite and how there are people that are in deep within the government, even the defense industry who believe in it, who believe in the interpretation that these UAPs are demons.
00;22;40;26 - 00;23;04;26
Unknown
But when you go that high level, you know, it's hard. You try to decipher what's being consciously used as a propaganda tool or tool of perception and control, and how many of them actually really do believe and what they're saying. It's a great question, and I think the ones that believe in what they're saying often get taken advantage of by people who don't.
00;23;04;26 - 00;23;29;27
Unknown
I hear the right response so often why would he lie? But why would he lie? And I'm like, why would anyone just use money power? Yeah, right. Like, you know, because they felt stupid that day. You know, there's so many reasons why they would lie. They're bad person. They were wrong. And the real danger isn't the UFOs or demons.
00;23;30;01 - 00;23;51;28
Unknown
The real danger is what humans do when they convince themselves that they're fighting demons. Yeah, right. And this gets us into the five D chess of the invisible world. Like, where is the devil here. Yeah. Where are you seeing the devil? I mean, it seems pretty apparent to me where I would see it. If you miss it, you have to point a finger right now, right?
00;23;52;00 - 00;24;16;11
Unknown
I think I would have no problem pointing finger at certain things like, you know, murder, abuse, things like that. And this goes back to how people explain the phenomenon and when they explain it to someone with certainty, because then that gives them power. It's like if I give you the explanation to the secrets of life, you know, that gives me power.
00;24;16;11 - 00;24;39;26
Unknown
Now I control what you do to pursue those secrets of life. Yeah. That's why we're not here to tell you what the phenomenon is. We're here to tell you that the moment someone claims absolute certainty about it, that's when you should be worried. Yeah. The war for perception isn't about aliens or demons. It's about whether your curiosity can survive fear.
00;24;39;28 - 00;25;08;11
Unknown
This phenomenon responds to belief. It responds to expectation. But we've heard multiple witnesses say when they don't seem to have a belief, or when they don't seem to have an expectation, the encounter goes very differently. So we have to ask ourselves, why do UFOs keep changing? Why does theology keep appearing when they change? And why do power structures care so much about all of it?
00;25;08;13 - 00;25;35;01
Unknown
Yeah, and this will inform our future because AI is becoming a perception engine, much like the Google algorithm was able to alter your perception of the world. I can do that without hitting the web. Yeah, right. And you can do it with, kind of a sultry, sexy voice too, that really thinks your ideas are great. You know?
00;25;35;03 - 00;26;01;09
Unknown
But UFOs keep changing so that we don't know what they are. And theology keeps appearing in order to explain what they are. And the power structures care so much because they utilize those beliefs in order to control us. Right. So I think we'll keep this short because this is really kind of a turning point for us. We're going to start focusing on the war for perception.
00;26;01;11 - 00;26;28;12
Unknown
Yeah. It's what it's what it all is really when when you step back. And that involves a lot more than UFOs. Oh yeah. We have to do a shout out to our sponsor, Blissani Yeah. Blissani is a vegan skincare company that specializes in anti-aging and acne. We like their products. I especially like the fact that they're vegan and organic, and I know that putting it on my skin won't harm my internal organs.
00;26;28;14 - 00;26;54;18
Unknown
What? The best part is it, the best part is I'm not applying poison onto my skin. So in the next episode, I really like to look into, you know, what is an actual psyop? Because like you said earlier, it's, it's a term that's basically being overused. Now, but it's an important term. Yeah, I think that'd be a great one for us to focus on.
00;26;54;18 - 00;27;14;27
Unknown
And we can go all the way into the military manuals on what is, I hope is, and then write what the public perception of a psyop is and what the intention of all that is, because we're looking at multiple psyops here. Yeah, they're everywhere. And the phenomenon itself, kilo is described it as a psyop. So I think we can tie that in as well.
00;27;15;00 - 00;27;30;15
Unknown
Yeah. Right. Right. All right little Fortean Winds episode coming up. Yeah. There you go. All right. Well, thanks. Ram. And, thanks everyone for listening. Please visit our website at, 14 wins.com. Thanks, everyone. Take care.
