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Shapeshifters of Smokeless Fire: The Djinn, UAP, and the Hidden Pattern
In this episode of Fortean Winds, Bones and RamX take us into the heart of Middle Eastern lore to examine the jinn—not as Disney-fied genies or simple spirits, but as liminal, energetic intelligences that mirror the behavior of UAPs, fairies, and other global phenomena. What are we actually interacting with in these so-called "paranormal" experiences? Are we just applying different mythological skins to the same persistent and intelligent phenomenon?
Drawing from Islamic theology, Bedouin folklore, and modern UAP witness reports, the hosts explore the trickster behavior, shapeshifting nature, and emotional imprint of the jinn. From ancient desert spirits to plasma-based UFO encounters and even the Nation of Islam’s “Mother Wheel,” this conversation peels back the cultural layers to reveal one unsettling conclusion: The entities never left—they’ve only changed masks.
Some great Middle Eastern Fortean style documentaries here: https://www.youtube.com/c/MysteriousMiddleEast
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Our UFO Research Summary.
00;03;01;29 - 00;03;26;01
Unknown
Welcome to the 14 Winds podcast where we talk about UFOs and all the related high strangeness. I go by bones and with us as always, is real. Max. Hey. Hey everybody. Hey, Ram. So we have part two. Really, where we're going to be talking about the Jinn. It's kind of a series because we talked about fairies in our previous episode, but they are related.
00;03;26;03 - 00;03;57;08
Unknown
But before we dive into the connections, between the jinn, encounters and modern like UAP or new phenomena, we must clarify what we mean when we say jinn. Much like fairies in the European tradition, jinn are not just mythical creatures or fictional genies. In fact, they're historical and folkloric presence is far deeper and more complex than the westernized image of a wish granting trickster in a bottle, or what we call a genie.
00;03;57;10 - 00;04;24;03
Unknown
Right? I think when you say genie, people automatically think of Aladdin and like Disney, right? Of course. Yep. And the experience folks in our audience might think of I Dream of Jeannie. Of course, in the 1960s, hit where, a US astronaut had, I guess, a good looking redhead genie in a bottle waiting. Was she a redhead?
00;04;24;04 - 00;04;52;19
Unknown
Or was she blond? Maybe she was blue. I don't know, but, Barbara Eden, she. She was desperately wanting to serve. Serve him his every whim. Yes. He was. He was very cranky about it, too. It. Yes. It's strange. Strange show. Who wouldn't be upset to have a beautiful woman scantily dressed, granting your every wish? Right. And that's a great way to point out the great Western misconception about genies.
00;04;52;21 - 00;05;17;28
Unknown
And that they're somehow something that comes out of a lamp and something that looks like a cloud with human features on it. And that, of course, is is not at all what genie actually are or jinn. I should say the word jinn and its historic origin actually translate closer to hidden or concealed. What does that remind you of?
00;05;18;00 - 00;05;48;18
Unknown
Well, it sounds like the occult to me. Yeah, exactly. Huckleberry. Which comes from the Latin. And that's, hidden or concealed. So the jinn I would say, already have an overlap with what we're calling the occult. And the occult would also have an overlap with what we were calling fairies. Right? It's an invisible world. There's a belief that there is a greater reality and an invisible world all around us, and that beings inhabit it.
00;05;48;21 - 00;06;20;24
Unknown
So these jinn and fairies and the kami from Japan, as well as the Guyana from India and numerous others, we named many different fairy legends that are identical. We also can find native American spiritual beliefs that are very similar Native American creatures and cryptids that are very similar to European, that are similar to the jinn. So this is their invisible world to and the jinn.
00;06;20;24 - 00;06;56;25
Unknown
Much like fairies, we're not like what folklore or art, TV or cinematic representations of them are. Right. So these beings are defined as, hidden intelligences. Not metaphorically, but literally. They live in a world that intersects ours. They are not demons in the Western Christian sense, although some are hostile like fairies. Though the jinn occupy a gray area morally ambiguous, unpredictable, and phenomenally real to those who have encountered them.
00;06;56;26 - 00;07;24;23
Unknown
So they're, you know, they're kind of the the master trickster. So like in our last episode, we talked about, how Robert Kirk and his secret Commonwealth described fairies as subterranean and for the most part, invisible. And that's pretty much true here. And he he also called them betwixt man and angel. And he emphasized their liminal status, that they were between places, that they were in a state of change.
00;07;24;25 - 00;08;06;03
Unknown
They were neither fully material nor spiritual. We could also extend that to say that they were neither fully physical or not fully astral. And the Islamic texts tend to mirror a little bit what Kirk said. And in the Koran it says, and the jinn we created before from scorching fire. And in later traditions this was clarified to mean smokeless fire, not smoke or visible flames, but something invisible and energetic, like heat or plasma, like the heat that would come off an asphalt hot day, just like we described so-called fairies.
00;08;06;05 - 00;08;38;19
Unknown
And this echoes UAP witness description sometimes of glowing orbs, shimmering entities, and sudden temperature shifts before cryptid encounter things like that. Right. And then right. In both traditions, these beings exist between worlds, and their presence often marks transition like dusk, full moons, crossroads, abandoned to places, haunted places, spiritual places. These are inhabitants of in-between spaces. So let's go back and talk about their origin.
00;08;38;20 - 00;09;12;18
Unknown
Where did the idea of the jinn first come from? So the concept of the jinn definitely predates Islam. We can use the Koran for reference, just like we can use the Bible for reference for spiritual beings, etc.. But we know the idea of the jinn predates them. So a lot of scholars debate this, and there's a belief that there was a crossover between like Greco-Roman traditions, and the same root ideas that gave birth to ideas of fairies, gave birth to ideas of jinn.
00;09;12;21 - 00;09;34;04
Unknown
But I just want to point out that wouldn't explain why the kami looks so similar, and why they're gonna look so similar, and why the Native American mess looks so similar. It doesn't explain it, but that's a that's a nice attempt. I think the most likely, I think the most likely origin was in the Bedouin desert with the Bedouin tribes, and that's who is traveling around.
00;09;34;11 - 00;10;01;08
Unknown
There's also some Mesopotamian and Assyrian roots that get mixed up in there. So there's even gods that appear to have been pre-Islamic gods, like Pazuzu was a desert god that some people believe did that. That gets wrapped into being a jinn. Iblis or Iblis was the serpent in the garden that Adam and Eve interacted with. So he's considered a jinn in some traditions in Islam.
00;10;01;10 - 00;10;24;19
Unknown
So we find some varying beliefs pre Islam. And then as we get into Islam in the seventh century, there's still different beliefs about change, but there's some commonalities, just like we would have about angels and demons and Christianity. And in the Koran they're said to be made from smoke was fire, angels were made of light, demons were made of light, celestial beings were made of light.
00;10;24;22 - 00;10;58;17
Unknown
And then humans were made of clay. So you see, pre-Islamic, there's traces of jinn having their roots in ancient Mesopotamian. Right. So it's spirits of wind and wilderness, like, they're not gods or men. But, you know, they have interactions with humans that, range from, like, inspiration to being possessed. Right? So that inspiration thing is another good crossover with fairies as well as possession.
00;10;58;19 - 00;11;19;08
Unknown
And you're going to have to explain to me, like, what's the difference between a Jen possession and a demon possession? What's the difference between a fairy possession and a demon possession? Right. There really isn't one that we can perceive that I could perceive per se. Like maybe if you could see the being, you might have a different perception.
00;11;19;08 - 00;12;03;14
Unknown
But we also know that these beings can look differently to different people. So I think that this is just a reframing of invisible beings. Right. And it's a pantheon of invisible beings that a lot of traditions encounter, and then they frame them into different mythologies. Right? You could say it's a very human experience, just timeless. Totally. So as Islam spread, these spirits were incorporated into their theology, but never fully tamed because, you know, reports of jinn encounters across the Middle East bear just uncanny resemblance to Western reports of alien abduction, or even, like poltergeist activity.
00;12;03;16 - 00;12;24;19
Unknown
Right? Same flavor. Poltergeist activity. Where? How are you telling me this one's a fairy? This one's an angel. This one's a demon. This one's a jinn. Like it's the same if there's something knocking things over in your house and then you assign something to it, right? Maybe a medium comes in and says, this is what I see or think this is.
00;12;24;22 - 00;12;51;07
Unknown
But what people are interacting with is invisible beings and reframing it. So when we talk about jinn in this episode, we're going to be talking about a persistent regional expression of this same pattern. It's another non-human intelligence that's interacting with people across time, belief, culture and perception. In Europe, they're fairies, in Middle East, they're jinn. And in the 21st century, and ufology, they're UAP, right?
00;12;51;09 - 00;13;20;03
Unknown
So of course, we have, you know, multiple UAP witnesses that report encounters with glowing, shapeshifting or plasma like entities. Right. And then in many cases, they seem to be energy based, shifting between, form and the formlessness or being formless. And this kind of matches the, you know, the, the Jin's classic description or, you know, just kind of the behavior of a trickster.
00;13;20;05 - 00;13;46;25
Unknown
They're often described as visible or invisible, alternately. And the shapeshifter aspects, there's some that are reported as being anthropomorphic. There are some that, you know, they look like half man, half animal, or they have animal like features. Maybe, you know, it's the sharp teeth, like we talked about injured cold and the the incident in Point Pleasant in the Mothman case, that was very fairy like.
00;13;46;27 - 00;14;08;08
Unknown
Could also be very considered, very jinn like. These are just different words for the same experiences. It's a type of encounter. I would like to suggest here to the entire paranormal UAP field that we we start to look at these as types of encounters, and that's how they're calling them things invisible or visible. This one's a poltergeist. This one's a demon.
00;14;08;08 - 00;14;34;12
Unknown
This one's an angel. This one's a jinn. It's because of the type of encounter. It's the type of experience where the one that's calling it that, or the one that's framing it. But we're encountering the same type of energy. On our website, we have an article called Canadian Revisited, and it talks about plasma type UAP, which they stop short of saying sentient in the article, but they just barely stop short of it.
00;14;34;12 - 00;15;13;15
Unknown
And we know from Haseltine and Norway that the UAP studies that are going down there, that these are very similar reports. So plasma UAPs are one type of UAP. We're sure about that. Yeah. And hey, interestingly enough, and we'll get there with this. But one thing that is said to disrupt Jinn is ion. And this was also said to disrupt fairies completely different right places on the globe in different, you know, so-called invisible entities are said to be disrupted in the same way, ion and that's a remarkably magnetic substance.
00;15;13;17 - 00;15;43;14
Unknown
So plasma is heavily affected by ion, right? Right. Yeah. I think the the power is in them. The power that they hold is that, you know, they can influence thought in matter without actually having a real, you know, physical form. That's right. And they make a big deal out of that, like a lot of pre-Islamic. And then Islamic thought was that jinn would inspire poetry.
00;15;43;14 - 00;16;07;18
Unknown
And this was the same thing with the Fe in the very same idea, as you know, goes back to Greek and Rome and the demons and the Anglos. Right. We talked, we discussed last time, right, that in Greece, in Rome, the daimon were considered to be free spirits, if you will, and not tied to another entity. And the Anglos were considered to be like messengers or emissaries of another entity.
00;16;07;20 - 00;16;33;10
Unknown
And that's similar to the jinn in some ways, because especially as Islam gets involved, jinn are thought to be demons when they don't practice Islam. So jinn have religion. This was different than Kirk's work on the fairies. In Kirk's work on the fairies, he thought that they didn't have religion per se. Like God, that they they had something else which doesn't necessarily match in all encounters.
00;16;33;10 - 00;16;58;26
Unknown
There's some beings and some reliable encounters where these beings seem to think in, some believe in some sort of religion. So in Islam, Gen can become demons when they don't practice Islam. But there can be good and Islamic jinn that practice Islam and worship Allah, right? So that's a big difference. There. But that smokeless fire describes an energetic medium.
00;16;58;26 - 00;17;57;11
Unknown
It's not material or purely spiritual, and the forms they choose are often disturbing and uncanny or unusual or highly anomalous. They they mismatch known elements. They're deliberately ambiguous. And that's the pattern. So. Oh, other the other small, you know, real world.
00;17;57;14 - 00;18;21;03
Unknown
One of the really interesting, points that Robert Kirk made when he was talking about fairies was the fact that, you know, they weren't really, physically visible unless you had the second sight. That was always a really interesting thing. And then, kind of similar in the gym where they, they, it's common to call jinn as naturally invisible.
00;18;21;09 - 00;18;55;16
Unknown
So it's kind of the same concept. Yeah. Unless they choose to reveal themselves or unless you're attuned to them by dreams or ritual or trauma or spiritual sensitivity. So that's kind of the same that that's pretty much same same as fairies. Yeah. So in our research, we learned that the jinn often appear to those, undergoing, spiritual distress, you know, or practicing or say, esoteric arts, you know, and, and then and then they have these visual hallucinations.
00;18;55;18 - 00;19;22;15
Unknown
But it's, it's kind of like a poltergeist like phenomenon that that they also experience or sleep paralysis that that always comes up. Right? Yeah. Dreams. Weird. You know, strange, out-of-body experiences. Right. But then they report physical marks, like scratches or bruises, like the way some people would report in demon possession. So that sounds really familiar. Yeah.
00;19;22;17 - 00;19;45;22
Unknown
And in modern UAP encounters, we find something very similar with the hitchhiker effect. And like, even Kenneth Arnold, the the guy who supposedly kicked off the modern wave of ufology, the case that made the news that kicked it all off right. What's not normally reported about that is that Kenneth Arnold went home and had the hitchhiker effect type experiences.
00;19;45;22 - 00;20;14;24
Unknown
He had poltergeist like experiences in his house. Why would a encounter with an alien spacecraft leave you with having experiences that resemble something that the jinn, were like, you know. Right, right. And it feels like the entity chooses the witness, not the other way around. We think there's some type of co-creation or codecision that happens there that that involves a number of factors.
00;20;14;24 - 00;20;35;17
Unknown
We've talked a lot about it and did our best to unpack it. But a big part of this is the entity choosing the person and then choosing that type of encounter or experience, and the person's psychological makeup. If it follows the pattern that we found, has a lot to do with that. So we talk about trickster behavior, right?
00;20;35;17 - 00;21;07;03
Unknown
And the Djinn and the fairies, they definitely exhibit the same trickster behavior. And, you know, trickster behavior is is kind of a universal thing. It's in how many? It's in legends all over the world and in so many different cultures. And they're, they're they're there as a teacher sometimes. But they do, you know, make things confusing to, you know, they have riddles or contradictory messages or they, punish those who uncover their, their true nature.
00;21;07;03 - 00;21;30;25
Unknown
And it's, you know, it's it's basically a way the tricksters are always kind of walking a fine line of, of right and wrong. Right. Yeah. Sometimes it's, it's a story of morality or, or taboo. Right. And it's a way to teach you morality because as we've talked about, everyone's ideas of good or evil are different, even if they're in the same pew, you know.
00;21;30;26 - 00;22;01;00
Unknown
Right. Surprise talk to your neighbor. And these djinn have that type of moral ambiguity about them. They can practice religion. And much like fairies or UAP encounters, sometimes they're seen as pivotal. They they sometimes plant ideas that seed ideas and then go on to become something else. And right. They can appear in sometimes misleading forms like, you know, they can look like an angel but have bad ideas and vice versa.
00;22;01;00 - 00;22;25;06
Unknown
Sometimes they look like, you know, they have horns and hooves, and yet they're giving you good advice. That's it's very strange, but they can offer riddles and contradictory messages. And this ends up getting to be what people also considered fairy. So this is what I mean when I say the categories are defined by the experience. I'm interacting with something that's normally invisible.
00;22;25;09 - 00;22;51;02
Unknown
This is how it looks during the experience, and this is what the experience was. And then people come away from it and they go, that was an angel. That was a demon. That was, gen that was a fairy based on those factors. But if you the underlying principles are always the same. Someone encountered something invisible and it changed them and it potentially changed them physically, that there are cases where we find that.
00;22;51;02 - 00;23;17;13
Unknown
And the same thing with UAP, the same thing with UAP, you know. Yeah. And Louis Farrakhan described a UFO experience that was really pivotal to him. And he was in the Nation of Islam, and he interpreted that very differently, like he didn't interpret it as aliens. Yeah. I mean, he had a very personal experience. He kind of, from what I read, I read, he saw his, predecessor.
00;23;17;15 - 00;23;47;12
Unknown
Right, right, right. He encountered what he called the mother wheel or mother plane over the tree. This was in 1985, in Mexico. And he claimed that after a hike, he was beamed up by Ray and inside the craft. He claims to have heard the voice of Elijah Muhammad, who had died in 1975. Right. And he said that Muhammad warned him of a war that was being planned in the US.
00;23;47;14 - 00;24;15;17
Unknown
But he didn't consider this an encounter with aliens. He thought that this was an advanced technological craft being piloted by black scientists. That's consistent with his beliefs in nation right? Yeah, it's really interesting. I mean, he's just, like I said, it was a very, personal experience, like, that that fit within his own life's narrative. Yeah.
00;24;15;20 - 00;24;43;03
Unknown
And that's how UAP encounters varying encounters, whatever encounters end up happening, like the anomalous experience underneath it is similar. You encountered something that was an odd energy. You had something that was either physical or not physical and experience, and it was pivotal, like it changed you. And I think that that comes up a lot in the stories of the Jinn as well as the fairies.
00;24;43;05 - 00;25;29;13
Unknown
Right. And this is how Nai interact with us in one way. Right. There's physical interactions, and then there's some ways where they seem to be getting involved in our ideas, our dog, our beliefs. Right. And like you said, you know, in previous episode, you know, those who have the so-called second sight, that Kirk mentioned with the fairies is that, you know, we have mediums that are that claim contact with different intelligence, and it's not always pleasant or it's usually unpleasant, just like UAP encounters, where we find that more people report negative encounters than to report positive encounters.
00;25;29;15 - 00;25;53;25
Unknown
But as we've pointed out before, like what motive do you have to point out a positive encounter? There's there's not much motivation there. Your people are just going to treat you like you're crazy and they're never going to believe you like that. Mass public is never going to believe, right? Right. But lots of other similarities between Jen and fairies, and they were said to have lived in abandoned spaces, just like haunted spaces.
00;25;53;25 - 00;26;21;24
Unknown
But they would say they're haunted by jinn wells, caves, old ruins. You can see a lot of YouTube videos. There was a very popular trend in Arabic countries a while back of putting up gen like videos that were thought to be real but were clearly not right. It was kind of funny in a way. It was boring. It seemed like everyone was in on it where they were like trying to create sort of, grassroots horror.
00;26;21;26 - 00;26;44;18
Unknown
Right? Right. Yeah. But I have seen some videos from the Middle East that were very strange. And a lot of soldiers who were over there during the wars reported very strange things. I heard things while I was in that people reported, and, you know, you take a lot of it with a grain of salt, but, there's just a lot of reports right from that region about strange and anomalous things.
00;26;44;25 - 00;27;12;17
Unknown
There's a great YouTube channel I'll link to called Mysterious Middle East. They're very Fortean and their approach, and they do some beautiful documentaries about Middle Eastern and jinn legends. So in 14 terms, we're dealing with cultural overlays and a persistent phenomenon. You know, like we say this all the time, it's the pattern. It's a pattern. It's not random and it's definitely intelligent.
00;27;12;19 - 00;27;39;29
Unknown
But, you know, you see, occasionally the phenomenon is hostile. You know, it almost always triggers an emotional response. And it can be adaptive, too, in a way. But like you always say, you know, if they really wanted to fully disclose themselves to the world, they would, but they decide to present themselves in this way for a reason, right?
00;27;40;01 - 00;28;03;27
Unknown
Always ambiguous, always changing shape. And that's a big part of the jinn myths and legends and folklore and yes, they induce an emotional response, but they also seem to respond to emotion. And this is consistent, right. And it comes out in possession. Cases of jinn possession, which are quite common and or at least commonly diagnosed by humans in the Middle East.
00;28;04;01 - 00;28;26;01
Unknown
This was interesting. And so. But the process to get the jinn out is very similar to the same process to get a demon out. So it becomes the experience of the individual that defines what we're calling the entity. And I think that that's if there's one point that the Jinn really drive home with us today, I think that that should be it is that this is a type of an encounter.
00;28;26;03 - 00;29;01;20
Unknown
And then we frame it with a name. And jinn encompasses so much like the shapeshifter, the invisible, just like fairies, it encompasses so much. And it ends up really becoming us, talking about the same space, this liminal space. Yeah, for sure. I think that's a pretty good wrap up of this topic. I mean, I, you know, like all the topics that we, talk about here, we can they could be so many episodes really to really go into depth with them.
00;29;01;20 - 00;29;26;11
Unknown
But, I think we touched touched on a lot of good points there. So now we want to kind of, wrap up this episode and we kind of want to talk about 14 wins the podcast. Yeah. For tonight. The wins the podcast. Yeah. And I mentioned our first sponsor too, right. Yeah. We've been growing a lot lately and we've got, a lot of new folks listening to us.
00;29;26;11 - 00;29;46;27
Unknown
And we just want to say thank you. And we also want to mention that we appreciate all of your comments, suggestions, feedback, whether it's positive or negative really helps us out. I think. One note that I'm trying to address that someone gave us was that I say the word interesting too much. So if you haven't noticed, I've been working on that.
00;29;46;27 - 00;30;07;22
Unknown
I'm just using compelling, fascinating, lots of different ones. But I use the word interesting as kind of a thinking word to, or also a way to say things that I'm suspicious of, but I don't want to tell you that I'm suspicious of it. I hope you guys are picking up on that, that I'm like, that's interesting. I would pay attention to that and see where it goes.
00;30;07;23 - 00;30;38;24
Unknown
It's just that it's it's not solid enough. Right. And bones and I were talking about the next couple episodes. So I think what we'll do for the next one is I've been sitting on some stuff from corruption Land I took, I took a lot of the research. We started with our new episodes in the new Apostle episodes and kept going over this time, and I think I've mapped out how a specific type of Kingdom Dominion group got into how our prosperity gospel folks got into power.
00;30;38;27 - 00;30;56;09
Unknown
I think I've mapped out some of the info weapons that they've used to do it, so that's going to be kind of an interesting episode. And I think it it fits again, even historically. I like when we do these episodes that are current events. We've been doing more of them and it seems like people really like it. So I think we'll do more.
00;30;56;12 - 00;31;23;13
Unknown
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00;31;23;16 - 00;31;43;25
Unknown
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Unknown
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00;32;07;04 - 00;32;32;00
Unknown
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Unknown
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Unknown
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00;33;20;05 - 00;33;41;27
Unknown
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00;33;42;00 - 00;34;04;23
Unknown
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00;34;04;26 - 00;34;22;26
Unknown
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00;34;23;00 - 00;34;39;23
Unknown
And I don't want anyone to feel like they have to. I also don't want you to feel like you have to buy whatever it is that we're pitching at the end of the show, like, so this is my disclaimer going forward. Hopefully we can just make enough to break even on the show and just be able to do the show for free.
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Unknown
That would be great, and that would allow us the path to be sustainable long term, and it would prevent us from having to put a subscription on it, because I really don't want to do that, especially the episodes that we did earlier, I think are really the answers many people were looking for. Like, you know, we answered the question of, okay, what would happen if a couple of somewhat regular guys just went and did something like scholarly research on all of this stuff, like, what would they end up coming up with?
00;35;09;25 - 00;35;27;09
Unknown
And, you know, we end up in the same place, kale and filet. And we chronicled the journey, those things I just don't want to put behind a paywall, you know, going forward. And I think we can just make a little bit on the sponsorship that that'll do it. We also get guest proposals now, which is interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
00;35;27;11 - 00;36;00;11
Unknown
Did you even know that that was how it worked. Yeah. I did not know that. I feel really naive and kind of guilty for not knowing that. Yeah. You just get contacted by someone, some PR person that. Yeah, publicists or agents or managers will reach out and be like, would you consider this person? And, I, I'm a little confused by some of the guest proposals that we can sometimes I'm like, you obviously didn't listen to the show because this would be about a five minute show, because we would tear your guy a new butthole.
00;36;00;13 - 00;36;18;29
Unknown
But we get, you know, this is, an odd mix, but I'm totally open to it. I think we're both open to having guests, but, yeah, you have to sort of at least fit into what we're talking about there. You don't have to agree with us. In fact, you could completely disagree with us. Just be interesting and and on topic.
00;36;19;02 - 00;36;37;13
Unknown
Right? Right. But I think we've got our next couple shows figured out. And then by then we still have a bunch of anomalous stuff that we haven't discussed. Like, I still want to do the Dog Man episode, and Greg Caldwell from THC said he'd come on and do the Dog Man episode with us. I thought that was the fun one.
00;36;37;13 - 00;36;56;10
Unknown
Like, yeah, that'd be a fun one to do. And, well, that's what I wanted to like people from around the field to come and do a topic with us. I think that that but it's it's tough because they all want to push whatever their publicist is saying, you know, right, right. But those are the type of guest episodes I hope to do next year.
00;36;56;10 - 00;37;17;22
Unknown
So right now I know it sounds good from everyone. Thanks for listening. As always. We really appreciate you. Make sure to visit our website when you can at forteanwinds.com. Yeah thanks y'all. Appreciate listen and hope you're enjoying the holidays. Take care.
