Fortean Winds
Fortean Winds
Exposing the New Apostles: QAnon, Prophecy & the Battle for America
This week on Fortean Winds, Bones and RamX pull back the curtain on one of the most powerful—and least understood—networks shaping American politics today. From the Seven Mountains Mandate to the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), from QAnon’s digital psyops to Michael Flynn’s mobilization machine, we map the hidden architecture connecting modern Dominion theology, covert political influence, and narrative warfare.
What begins as a look into Christian charismatic movements quickly becomes a forensic investigation into cell-network power structures, intelligence tradecraft, the origins of Q, and the spiritual-political coalitions now embedded inside Turning Point USA, TPUSA Faith, ReAwaken America, and Project 2025.
This is the real epilogue to our “Who Runs the World?” trilogy — a data-driven breakdown of theology weaponized, belief engineered, and influence networks hiding in plain sight.
We also preview next week’s long-awaited deep dive into fairy lore, UAP overlap, Robert Kirk’s 1691 accounts, and why early modern “faerie seers” described phenomena identical to today’s high strangeness reports.
If you care about power, hidden agendas, cultural engineering, or UAP disclosure, this is required listening.
Chapters:
- 0:00 – Introduction & the Epstein-Andrew fallout
- 2:10 – Charlie Kirk assassination inconsistencies
- 4:00 – What is the Seven Mountains Mandate?
- 9:00 – The tangled origins of Dominion theology
- 13:00 – NAR, Trump’s advisors & Project 2025 ties
- 17:00 – January 6th, QAnon & the Nar cell network
- 26:00 – Pentecostal occult overlap (Crowley, Blavatsky, 1906 SF earthquake)
- 30:00 – Why Q worked: loneliness, identity, spiritual war language
- 36:00 – The real motives: power, money, control
- 42:10 – UAP disclosure vs. the Collins Elite
- 48:00 – Why this matters now & guidance for investigators
- 50:30 – Preview: The Fairies Episode
Fortean Winds: where evidence meets the unexplained.
How about some links?
History of the NAR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb-ovH8ss8Q&list=PL-dhzfp_gxGf3CndxPab6KA_tBIBv8snx
7 Mountains Mandate explanation...mentioning Covert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQbGnJd9poc
Bellincat's excellent work on the Qanon movement: https://www.bellingcat.com/tag/qanon/
Read more and follow our sources to research paths of your own at Fortean Winds
Our UFO Research Summary.
00;00;00;00 - 00;00;30;27
Unknown
Welcome to the Fortean Winds podcast, where we talk about UFOs and all the related high strangeness. I go by bones and with us, as always, is. Or RamX. Hey. Hey, everybody. Hey. We're, So in this episode, we're going to unpack. Loosely structured but deeply interconnected network of charismatic Dominionists, political operatives, intelligence outliers who leverage spiritual authority and conspiracy culture, and a theology of control to infiltrate power structures.
00;00;30;29 - 00;00;58;13
Unknown
Their success isn't accidental. It is rooted in the Seven Mountains mandate, which is a weaponized belief system and a coordinated campaign of narrative control. And all of this is executed through movements like QAnon, Turning Point USA, Faith and ReAwaken America. I wanted to talk about fairies. Okay, right. But then the world turned on its head and everything went crazy.
00;00;58;15 - 00;01;28;19
Unknown
Not the least of which is the latest batch of Epstein emails. Yeah, and on the upshot, as more information about that comes out and we see some accountability happen, you know, our cousins across the pond are showing us what you can do when the people push on power. Because my understanding is the royals did that because they didn't want the MP and the PM and the people getting involved in who would be determining succession among royals.
00;01;28;21 - 00;01;51;09
Unknown
Right. You're talking about Prince Andrew, right? It's correct. Yeah. And I think it would be good to start with a win. And I wanted to focus a little bit more on Andrew Longbottom or whatever the hell his title is now, which is nothing. Right. I think it's, degenerate. The black sheep. And you can see the people in power start to feel that.
00;01;51;09 - 00;02;13;23
Unknown
Tick tock, tick tock. And we can see the guilt starting to run. And as the ship sinks, the rats all come out of the corners, don't they? Right, right. So in that process, we've seen people become exposed. And in the midst of all of that, there are a lot of questions about the Charlie Kirk assassination. And there are good questions there in advance of the trial.
00;02;13;26 - 00;02;46;09
Unknown
So we don't have all of the information. And I should mention that it's not uncommon for a prosecution to withhold information before a trial because they want to use it during the trial to convict the suspect. Right. But that said, it wouldn't explain the lies and inconsistencies that people are pointing out. So even if it ends up being a one man job, the power struggle and the money and the struggle for influence that surrounded Charlie Kirk is coming into light.
00;02;46;12 - 00;03;09;24
Unknown
Right. And the influence that surrounded Charlie Kirk is leading people to make a lot of assumptions about potential connections to his death. And this stuff happens in a vacuum. If there's no information, people start to find the information and make connections on their own. You can call that a conspiracy theory if you want, but that's just how people are.
00;03;09;26 - 00;03;41;26
Unknown
Right. But some of those investigations into the people around him exposed a network, and I think would make a good epilog to our trilogy on power and control, because we can demonstrate in the real world how one of those nodes, which is a theologically driven node, has gotten into power using money manipulation and influence. And so before we begin, I think it is important for me to point out we're going to be talking about Christianity again.
00;03;42;02 - 00;04;06;10
Unknown
And I think one fair criticism of our work is that we're too Western focused. But 62% of the United States identifies as Christian. And a big chunk of them are evangelicals. So as we talk about this, I want to make clear that I'm not talking about all of Christianity, and I'm not talking about all of evangelicals. This subject of Pentecostal history may come up today.
00;04;06;13 - 00;04;34;11
Unknown
And history is history. And Pentecostal churches vary widely. We're going to use words like charismatic churches. And that is also a wide spectrum. So if your church isn't being led by a charlatan, that is inverting the Bible or calling themselves God, or insisting that if you give them money, you will somehow become rich? I'm probably not talking about your church right?
00;04;34;13 - 00;04;54;26
Unknown
And as you mentioned in the intro, we're going to be talking about the Seven Mountains mandate. So that's actually a pretty good place to start. Okay. And not every church who believes in the Seven Mountains mandate is involved in the type of power games that I'm going to be talking about. The specific note of money and faith manipulation we're going to be talking about involves all of those things.
00;04;54;28 - 00;05;23;20
Unknown
So the origin of the Seven Mountains mandate is allegedly, two pastors had a dream that God told them that they were to take over each of the seven mountains, or spheres of influence in society. Okay. And this can also be referred to as Kingdom theology or Dominion theology in their view. God told them to take dominion over the seven spheres of influence in society.
00;05;23;21 - 00;06;03;25
Unknown
So that's government, education, media, business, religion, family and the arts or entertainment. Okay. So the dominion is theology is theological. It's not cultural. It demands the occupation and reformation of secular structures by those it sees as anointed. By God. Right. Anointed means chosen specifically and told directly by God. And that becomes very important in this movement. Okay.
00;06;03;28 - 00;06;30;14
Unknown
Out of this movement comes the main group we're going to be talking about, which is the New Apostolic Reformation or Nar or Nar as it's referring to. Yeah. Yeah. We'll we'll, stick with Nar because I have a problem with Apostolic, which, it's just a, for those listening, it's just, you know, a version of Apostle, which I guess they see themselves as being the apostles.
00;06;30;20 - 00;06;56;23
Unknown
Yes. And they believe that these are the new apostles. The Bible had its old apostles and the people in the na are the new apostles that are being spoken to directly by God and can speak for God. Okay. Sounds a lot like a cult already, right? Right. The problem is, you know, when I think of Pentecostal, I think of just, you know, a small group of snake handlers in Appalachia.
00;06;56;23 - 00;07;20;06
Unknown
But, we're talking about very powerful people. So you couldn't be more wrong on that. Like, there are very normal Pentecostal churches. Right. And I'm glad you're saying that, because that's why I said that at the beginning. And I think people who are not as involved in Christianity, or especially people who aren't familiar with evangelicalism, well see all of this as being monolithic.
00;07;20;06 - 00;07;45;29
Unknown
And it's not. And and so it also depends, like how your pastor goes about teaching this theology and telling you to take it forward. So a lot of things can be good, a lot of things can be bad. But this particular movement sets people up for manipulation. And some people saw that and they got involved and they mixed up church and state, and they saw a means to power.
00;07;46;01 - 00;08;12;24
Unknown
And they've been using it. And that type of power invites corruption. Right. And this conversation is not happening in non-religious circles like you, you don't even know about. You're assuming all Pentecostals are snake. Right, right. Like so the religiously unaffiliated like this conversation isn't even happening, you know? Right. So it's not from them that I'm taking this information.
00;08;12;27 - 00;08;36;28
Unknown
It's from Christians. This is a big topic in Christianity. This is a big topic in the church who's trying to figure this all out. And we set some of this up in our Scofield Bible episode when we talked about dispensationalism. And dispensationalism is one big part of Christian Zionism. But this other part is here. This kingdom and dominion is theory.
00;08;37;01 - 00;09;00;21
Unknown
And it also has a very anti-Semitic thread that runs right through the middle of it due to its history, and its history could be traced all the way back to some people would trace it all the way back to the 1400s, when the Pope said, it's okay for you to go out and enslave and kill pagans and Saracens, meaning Muslims.
00;09;00;24 - 00;09;26;26
Unknown
And that's that's all on the table now. Right. Other people would trace its origin back to Scotland and Robert the Bruce in 1600. When Robert the Bruce frees Scotland from English and Irish control, he's given all these gifts. And one of them is a piece of artwork that has this story about how the Scots are actually the lost tribe of Israel, and they're the chosen people, really.
00;09;26;29 - 00;09;58;27
Unknown
So this idea grows and it gets all over the British Isles, and it becomes known as British Israel ism. And it contains this idea of superiority like racial superiority and a negative view of Jewish Jews. Okay. And it contains these ideas of dominionism. And it also has a very authoritarian structure because you're dealing with people who claim to be apostles, you're dealing with people who claim divine revelation.
00;09;59;04 - 00;10;23;04
Unknown
They cannot be questioned. Oh, of course, there's a lot of talk in these sermons about dissent and dissenters. Right. And questioners. Don't be a questioner. Okay. Listen to what I got to say. Yeah. I mean, literally, I've sat through a few of these, and they're rough. So just be quiet and obedient and give me money. And of course.
00;10;23;04 - 00;10;51;14
Unknown
Yeah. And that's a big part of this, too. Or bouncing around a little bit. But there's the prosperity gospel within this. So the prosperity gospel are best exemplified by televangelists like Kenneth Copeland is the biggest one. And he is worth $750 million. He's got his own airfield, and he goes on TV, and he talks all about how God loves him so much that he keeps giving him money, and that if you give him money, you could be like him.
00;10;51;17 - 00;11;15;22
Unknown
So, right, there's this exchange and prosperity right there that like, obviously, God loves me. That's why I have all the money, right? You give me, you know, it's a crazy sort of logic, but this is what they pitch, and then they claim divine revelation and they claim direct connection with God. And Kenneth Copeland has gone so far to basically say He's God or God like, and you can be too.
00;11;15;22 - 00;11;36;29
Unknown
If you just give him money, thousand dollars, let him know he's you're really serious. And then good day. Everything you want well will go good in your life. There's been a lot of exposes on the prosperity gospel. John Oliver, the comedian, did some really good ones. It's interesting that, that has roots in Scotland when you consider, you know, Adam Smith, wasn't he Scottish?
00;11;36;29 - 00;12;03;28
Unknown
The the father of our modern capitalism, you know, the, he wrote about the invisible hand of the economy. That's an interesting connection for some later digging. Yeah. I wouldn't throw it out out of hand, that's for sure. So this British Israel ism works its way into the U.S., and it works its way in through the charismatic movement and Pentecostalism, which is really getting going around 1900, late 1800s.
00;12;04;00 - 00;12;38;04
Unknown
And this ties right into the time that Scofield is writing his Bible. So it's a mix. It becomes blended, right? You have this dispensationalism revivalist ideas, and then you have these Kingdom dominionism ideas, and they're overlapping and things get a little mixed up, but they both have some sense of Christian Zionism in them. They both have some idea that Israel is very important to God's kingdom, and they also have this idea that they need to bring about God's kingdom and dominion.
00;12;38;04 - 00;13;03;25
Unknown
This theory, if they control the seven spheres of influence, then they will be able to bring about the return of Christ right? And in dispensationalism ideas, they have to bring about the ascendancy of Israel in order to bring about the return of Christ. So these two groups can find common ground, right? And this should add a dimension to what you're seeing in the news.
00;13;03;27 - 00;13;31;25
Unknown
And how that works out politically. That's a big reason we're talking about this because it's super relevant to what's happening today. And we just mentioned the prosperity gospel. Paul Kane who is Trump's spiritual advisor is a part of this Nar New Apostolic Reformation movement. And she's into the prosperity gospel. So she's directly connected to these groups. Trump is surrounded by these people.
00;13;31;28 - 00;14;05;14
Unknown
Russ, for the project 2025 stuff. It's all being informed by this seven Mountains mandate and this Dominion theology. Right? And the reason it gets so confusing between Dominion and Dispensationalism is because they're overlapping. So it is confusing. It is a little messy there, but these are two threads of theology that are making up this Christian Zionist movement, which is at the forefront of what's becoming, let's be honest, it's a Maga civil war.
00;14;05;17 - 00;14;36;27
Unknown
Right. And MAGA is a movement. So it's made up of various movements. And within that you have this movement which has a deep thread of anti-Semitism in it. So Kingdom and dominion theology were popular with the Klan. Oh, okay. The Klu Klux Klan is you. Yeah. Oh, them. I didn't mean the Wu-Tang clan. Afraid. That puts them into racialist ideas in the mid 20th century.
00;14;36;29 - 00;14;59;12
Unknown
So that goes all the way into today. Those groups have lineage. They have direct line. They have a succession that they can point to and that they're proud of. That goes all the way back there. So that's a part of this movement. And it's kind of incompatible on one level with the dispensationalism idea that tends to put Israel first.
00;14;59;19 - 00;15;25;25
Unknown
So I would consider it a massive miscalculation on the part of the Netanyahu regime to cozy up to this group and attempt to manipulate this group into supporting his wars, because at some point, they were always going to wake up and realize that this was not in their interests, and that it was in the interests of a group that they hated.
00;15;25;27 - 00;15;55;02
Unknown
Right. And so this massive wave of anti-Semitism was an an unfortunately predictable betrayal. And I hope that makes it clear as we talk about Israel, that when we take issue, we're taking issue with the Netanyahu regime and their choices. Right. Not even all Israelis, certainly not all Jews, of course. And I can separate those three things, because I can drive a frigging car right.
00;15;55;05 - 00;16;22;07
Unknown
But if we're going to unpack it, we have to be able to call a spade a spade. And Netanyahu knew that this movement contained antisemitism. It's certainly not all of MAGA, but there's a thread here that runs right through theology and into politics and people who blend theology and politics. And I cannot believe that Netanyahu didn't know that.
00;16;22;10 - 00;16;43;28
Unknown
And yet he did this anyway to pursue his own agenda. And he did not think of what that was going to do to the Jewish people of America when this backlash happened. Right. Very predictable. Right. Right. He's like an extremist. You know, this is the way Hamas thinks. They think, oh, well, the backlash will drive them closer to me.
00;16;44;01 - 00;17;11;22
Unknown
Right, right. And I think it's just responsible for us to point all that out with things being said online, that could be perceived as anti-Semitic. Yeah. My first, exposure to this, the Nar organization, was, back when the news hit that there was a chief, not a chief justice, but a member of the Supreme Court had their flag flying at their home.
00;17;11;24 - 00;17;37;02
Unknown
Right. And that was, an appeal to heaven flag. And I had the little tree is just. Yeah. That's the first time I have heard of that organization. Yeah. And they deliberately sometimes stay in the shadows. You can watch a video of one of the so-called apostles giving a presentation on how all of this works. And at the end, he says, you can either do this overt or covert.
00;17;37;04 - 00;18;07;04
Unknown
Okay. And that's going to get us into the juiciest bits. Yeah. About the covert part. But first let's let's get a little bit more context so we know what we're talking about. So by the 2000 there was a guy named Peter Wagner. And he was really the founder of Nar and Dutch Sheets, Cindy Jacobs and Lance Wahl, now, who I just mentioned were pushing the seven mountain strategy explicitly into the realm of politics.
00;18;07;06 - 00;18;27;18
Unknown
So this is when their churches started mixing church and state. Not all of Christianity did this, and it's a small segment. You and I did some analysis, two weeks ago, and I think we put this at 13%. Right. But they taught that believers must take political power back from ungodly elites. So they were talking about the elites to.
00;18;27;20 - 00;18;56;20
Unknown
What does that remind you of right away? It reminds me of, QAnon. Yeah, we're going to talk about that. They also wanted you to believe that these apostles and prophets are the modern equivalent of biblical kings or judges. They specifically want you to see them as Elijah. They are telling you biblical prophecy. And then the third part of this is that political adversaries are not your opponents.
00;18;56;22 - 00;19;22;21
Unknown
They're not your neighbors. They are demonic agents. Of course, that's the third parties. And their demonology gets really extensive and pretty silly. They start talking about territorial demons, and the Queen of Heaven comes up a lot. They're like we. We sent these 27 missionaries up a mountain to battle the Queen of Heaven. And they made all these videos about it, right?
00;19;22;26 - 00;19;53;20
Unknown
The Queen of Heaven is also a phrase that has been used in Catholic history to refer to the Virgin Mary. Sure. Yeah. This Nar movement has a big problem with Catholicism. Okay. So it's not even a sideways way to say we're fighting Catholicism, which we think is demonic because some of them have even said that the Catholics have elevated Mary to the point of idolatry, making her some form of territorial demon.
00;19;53;23 - 00;20;21;29
Unknown
Okay. Well, I mean, that would make sense when you look at our our government. I mean, we are pretty much a patriarchy still. And it's being that it's being reinforced by religious movements. Yes. This movement is very patriarchal and authoritative totalitarian. It's written in even the money is written in. It's like that in most churches. You have a board, you have a process for the finances.
00;20;22;01 - 00;20;44;11
Unknown
In these churches, it's written into the rules that the money goes straight to the preacher. She's right. And none of these are taxable. So people like Kenneth Copeland says, send me $1,000, and he never has to pay taxes. Yeah. So that gives them skin in the game. That makes them a power node. Now there are power player with money.
00;20;44;13 - 00;21;13;03
Unknown
And it's not just them, the ones that are visible on TV. It's people like Robert Mercer who was very involved early on. He had a whole conservative takeover plan. Everything I just mentioned about ungodly elites, apostles and prophets being now and political adversaries being demonic agents. All of these things were a part of the QAnon movement, right? And guess who's all over this Nar network?
00;21;13;05 - 00;21;38;08
Unknown
Well, you must be talking about Michael Flynn, because I know he's been traveling around the country for, years now. In this kind of big, big tent Christian revivalist, movement where he's kind of he's obviously taking advantage of old folks. Yeah. The ReAwaken tour that came up. Yeah. Our research here. Right. That was one of the big connections that ReAwaken Tour has all sorts of connections to this Nar movement.
00;21;38;11 - 00;22;04;29
Unknown
And then, you know, the January 6th event, there were a number of people involved in that that were also involved in QAnon. And four out of the six permits that were issued for that event were Na affiliated churches. Oh, wow. Yeah. So they were driving that too. And did they really care if people got busted, thrown in jail for a little while and had to wait for a pardon?
00;22;05;04 - 00;22;26;11
Unknown
I don't think they did. No. Yeah. That's, you know, the big picture of it all. It almost sounds like a, you know, a cultural revolution and, like, like, you know, like we saw in China in the 60s. But, this is deeply religious, but still, you know, you can see the danger in it, the just there's too much power and abuse of power.
00;22;26;13 - 00;22;47;19
Unknown
How many people died in the Cultural Revolution? That's what happens when you mix church and state. And I think that's part of the genius of the American system is keep it separate, right. Because absolute power corrupts absolutely. And that came up a lot in the research in some of these groups. You know, the ones that are authoritarian.
00;22;47;21 - 00;23;15;05
Unknown
And I would caution Christians to use your discernment and decide whether your church is authoritarian, whether you can really trust whoever it is you're placing all of your faith in. Most churches are not like I'm talking about. Most Christianity. It's just that con men have known since the beginning. Like even in the early biblical stories, there's all these warnings about con men coming in and saying, I speak for Jesus, right?
00;23;15;06 - 00;23;39;11
Unknown
This has been happening since the beginning, and you got to take it head on. And these conversations are happening in the Christian community. So if you're a Christian and you're not aware of it, I would really encourage you to just do some searching on YouTube for Christian channels that are talking about what we're talking about. I don't think what we're saying is going to sound much different.
00;23;39;13 - 00;24;02;01
Unknown
It just gets, you know, it's creeping me out because if they're calling themselves apostles and are trying to gain control of basically every facet of American culture, I mean, what's the real plan? I mean, the plan is nothing but power, and it starts to sound like any other radical ideology, like you would find in Al-Qaeda or anything, right?
00;24;02;01 - 00;24;33;16
Unknown
Where it's like, I am the absolute divine truth. Your mission is to take over the world for me, right? Like, and it is okay if you die in the process, right? Because your reward is coming later. Same sort of idea. And then what we find with this kingdom and dominion as groups is that some of them took power in the same way as any decentralized like I'm sorry, but terror group would do, right?
00;24;33;18 - 00;24;58;14
Unknown
And it was decentralized even at the denominational level. This, this part I found really fascinating was that in the early days, it was like they knew what they were saying was so wrong and so corrupt, and that they were going to get found out so quickly. They didn't want to create a denomination. So what they did was they created individual churches and then networked.
00;24;58;16 - 00;25;20;13
Unknown
So I'm a new apostle. You're a new apostle. And then they would even manufacture division. So they would have somebody split off and say, no, God told me this. And the other guy would say, no. God told me this, and then they would split up, and both churches would then refill the pews with a whole new set of people, and they were all on the same network.
00;25;20;16 - 00;25;47;26
Unknown
Interesting. So it was sneaky and manipulative from the beginning. And if it's not your church, it's not your church, right? But this is a thread that's existed in Christianity all the way until now, and it's worked its way into power and QAnon became the perfect info weapon to do that. And QAnon is a really good way for us to exemplify this, because it just became an opportunity.
00;25;47;28 - 00;26;17;19
Unknown
It became an opportunity that they capitalized on and turned into a movement that would support their agenda. And of course, you know, Michael Flynn, he's he was also famous for making, you know, public pledges to QAnon. Right. Didn't they have some kind of verbal pledge? Oh, he was beyond pledging. He was involved in the online engagement. He was involved in recruiting, and I think he was involved in steering it.
00;26;17;22 - 00;26;37;06
Unknown
Yeah. So, you know, let's talk about where Q came from, because people have done a lot of research. There's some great research out there that pulls in the metadata. Bellingcat, if you've heard of them, they're a public intelligence agency. And they did a bunch of work on Q and on, and it was corroborated by other independent researchers as well.
00;26;37;08 - 00;27;01;06
Unknown
And the funny part about all that is that it started as a shitpost. That is the name of it on message boards. It's a shitpost. It's just somebody saying stuff randomly, right? Right. Trolling. But it started in for a channel, right? Correct. Right. Yeah. It started as a shitposting for channel and then it started taking off. And the original shit poster seemed to have gotten off of it.
00;27;01;09 - 00;27;21;29
Unknown
But then some grifters come in and they start controlling it. And then it moves over to HSN, where the grifter owners appear to have steered it for a while, but they were steering it right. They were doing so at somebodies behest, and they were doing so with an agenda that they were sharing with other people and they weren't telling people.
00;27;22;02 - 00;27;58;10
Unknown
And then there was the characters that got involved to become the mouthpieces of QAnon. And they called themselves prophets. Right. And we saw a lot of mixing of the occult and prophecy, which shows up a lot in the history of Pentecostalism. So like, for example, California has a deep history with Pentecostalism. Really? Yeah. And this is really where the occult overlaps start to get big, because in 1906, there's a big fire and an earthquake in San Francisco that destroys 500 blocks of the city, and it kills more than 3000 people.
00;27;58;11 - 00;28;20;18
Unknown
It produced some mass migration. And it was an it was apocalyptic. It was an explosion. Things were on fire, right at the end of the world. And so then there became a surge of spiritualist and medium mystic and occult activity around that. And because that was really big at the time, and so was Scofield. And so it was Crowley.
00;28;20;18 - 00;28;48;29
Unknown
I mean, all of these ideas converge around this time. And so there was a massive network of refugees that passed through Los Angeles where, this movement, this is a revival, was gaining steam. And so they brought into the pews things like Christian séances, Christian mediums, Christian psychic healers, Christian fortune tellers. And it was a bunch of Theosophists as well from Blavatsky.
00;28;49;02 - 00;29;17;05
Unknown
Crowd. So it gets all mixed up into Pentecostalism even back then. And those traditions are more friendly to the occult. And as you can imagine, that does not go over big with mainline Protestants or Catholics, right? So that's just one example of a cultism and Christianity getting all mixed up. But then it does heavily in this QAnon world, and it gets involved with conspiracy theories and it becomes a choose your own adventure.
00;29;17;07 - 00;29;40;02
Unknown
And in some charismatics movements like the Nar, they don't really seem to care too much what the individual thinks, as long as they're following the main leader and doing what they're supposed to be doing. You can have aberrant beliefs if you want, right? But the central tenets of that QAnon conspiracy were very similar to what these Kingdom dominionism movements would espouse for theology.
00;29;40;08 - 00;30;05;23
Unknown
Like a satanic cabal controls the world, Trump is God's chosen warrior. Mass arrests will cleanse the land, and the faithful must trust the plan. Like these are all parts of that charismatic thread that we just talked about, right? And you have all kinds of different people with different ideas in there. It wasn't all right wing Covid was going on, and a lot of people went, what the hell is this?
00;30;05;24 - 00;30;31;00
Unknown
I mean, I've never been in a lockdown. Everything looks crazy. So it drew in a lot of people. Yeah. And these Nar leaders saw that and they capitalized on it. So how deliberate was it? How much did they get involved in the actual production of Q and on messages? I would say if they did, they got involved at more of the directional level, probably not on the execution level, because we know who that was.
00;30;31;03 - 00;30;58;24
Unknown
Right? But key TNR leaders like Michael Flynn, Dutch Sheets, Lance wall, now Charlie Sham, they amplified that QAnon messaging about spiritual war, hidden evil trom divine justice, the end of days. I mean, it was this whole narrative that they were pushing. And it's a fair question to ask how coordinated was that? Where was the coordination happening? On what level?
00;30;58;24 - 00;31;31;27
Unknown
What connected these people? And it's the Nar, and the Nar is all kind of mixed up in Turning Point USA. Okay. And I don't know if that adds anything to the investigation about the assassination, but it is important knowledge for anyone that was interested in those organizations. And you had Michael Flynn out there. He was openly referencing Seven Mountains language and echoing Q slogans in the same breath calling for spiritual revolution.
00;31;31;27 - 00;31;56;06
Unknown
And he was invoking divine assignments. He was saying, this is your mandate. This is what God wants you to do. I mean, and this is blasphemy. You don't speak for God, right? Beyond heretical, all of this, it's heretical is just to kind of term. Yeah. I mean, perversion, general. I mean, it makes you wonder how many of them, the leaders of this movement.
00;31;56;06 - 00;32;21;17
Unknown
How many, how many of them actually believe what they're saying, or it's just become a power game and that's how they used it. They used that Q infused energy. They mobilized the base and the Na aligned Christian nationalists to start seeking footholds and governance. Yeah, Flynn was literally and all of these things telling people to run for their local office, run for school board.
00;32;21;17 - 00;32;43;07
Unknown
Let's start taking over at this level. Wasn't right will take over at this level. And even if you believe in a secularized society, you have to question who's at the top, what do they believe? Is it your beliefs? Is it Christian? Is it Christlike? But we have people like Paul at White Cane who believe in the prosperity gospel, which I already said is beyond heretical.
00;32;43;07 - 00;33;09;15
Unknown
It's blasphemous. And this is Trump spiritual advisor. So I would not want to live in a Christian society. And her that that came out of her fantasies, that's for sure. Right. But it also involved youth mobilization. And that's where they went after Turning Point USA. And they got all kinds of involved in that. They were recruiting people under the guise of patriotism or faith or being anti-woke.
00;33;09;17 - 00;33;38;24
Unknown
They were using populist ideas like, hey, we know it's tough out there. Come up, come with us. We've got you covered. Yeah, course. And that's good. Like, I mean, we have populist ideas too, but they don't require your beliefs. And all of this rhetoric was used. The spiritual rhetoric was used for political means. And one thing that is waking people up to this and causing more and more people to look into, this is our current state.
00;33;38;26 - 00;34;00;08
Unknown
I mean, we're talking about this because it's our current state. Our current state involves people in power with an agenda that none of us seem to understand that is not working for the American people. And both the right and the left are waking up to that right. Yeah. I mean, and you have to remember that this is a small fringe group.
00;34;00;10 - 00;34;26;22
Unknown
Yes. And who's driving them? You know, I don't know that we have a single answer to that question. What we have is a network like we found in our trilogy on who runs the world. And this is a great example of that. I think this is a good epilog to it. And as you can see, it just can help you perhaps decode some of the news if you have context, if you have historical context, if you understand some of the agendas that may be at play.
00;34;26;24 - 00;34;53;19
Unknown
We're not making any allegations about backroom cabals here. We're saying there are people who got into power with an agenda, and they're not being completely transparent about what that agenda is with people. Right? Because by 2024 and 2025, this is involved. This is evolved into narrative warfare, alternative media, echo chambers that are just keep repeating the same trust the plan nonsense.
00;34;53;19 - 00;35;20;16
Unknown
And they say building on the same narrative. And then there's these mobilization arms. There's TP, USA Faith, there's ReAwaken America, there's Flashpoint live, and these are efforts to mobilize people. That's fine if that's what you believe in. If they have good works, that's good. But figure out who's at the top, know where the money comes from. That's discernment.
00;35;20;18 - 00;35;43;26
Unknown
And then we have to look at who the players are at the political and legal levels and what they're doing. So when you know that Pete Hegseth walked into the Pentagon and did all those weird speeches about push ups in front of all those generals, nobody knows. Nobody knows. Doesn't it take on a different context? When do you understand that Pete Hegseth is one of these Kingdom Dominion types that thinks that he's taking over the world, right.
00;35;43;29 - 00;36;03;03
Unknown
And by the way, at the end of all of this, these Nar apostles have said that they would be this little board of advisors to all of the leaders in the world, not just America. America is just the first step. You control the military and then you control the world. And then they all answer to us, right? The televangelist.
00;36;03;04 - 00;36;28;04
Unknown
Yeah. Great plan. Not a world I'm looking for. But yet they've gotten entrenched in power. I think what's fascinating here is that it worked. And let me tell you something about Flynn. I heard a Flynn while I was in. He had a reputation, and his reputation had two parts. It was that guy is really good at finding terrorists.
00;36;28;07 - 00;36;56;01
Unknown
He's. He's really good at hunting down cells. Number two was that he was crazy and paranoid, you know, and everyone thought that those two things were inseparable. They were necessary to be as good as he was at what he did. And what he did was counterinsurgency for cell networks. So if someone understands cell networks, well, it's Michael Flynn out there.
00;36;56;03 - 00;37;24;28
Unknown
Yeah, interesting. I can't imagine he just put all of that information away when he went about doing this, when he when he found the Lord. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, he he found the Lord back then too. You know, I don't question his beliefs. I question what he's up to and what he's telling people and how he's using people. And if you're going to tell people to follow your movement and what you want them to do, then you should be telling them why and who's involved.
00;37;25;00 - 00;37;52;16
Unknown
Know what your agenda is. That's my issue. If they're going to follow you, then that's that's fine. That's their business. Right? It's it's this covert part of it. That wall now talked about the Flynn gets involved. That looks painfully deliberate. Right. So you know this is all very, very American. I mean, we're always confronted by religious figures, you know, like televangelists have been around forever.
00;37;52;19 - 00;38;13;04
Unknown
And we're okay with with them being religious. But then we think, but why do they need all this money? And why are they asking me for money on TV? So, you know, we have to. It's not just TV anymore, obviously. It's, you know, we have to look into the playbook and how they manipulate the public. And obviously, number one is fear.
00;38;13;07 - 00;38;39;07
Unknown
You know, you have to use fear. That's the easiest way. That's been used for since the beginning of time. So you have demonized, elites. You know, they talk about, like you said before, this satanic cabal, which in their eyes is everything, part of the Democratic Party. You have faith hooks, which is basically saying, you know, this is this is part of God's plan.
00;38;39;10 - 00;39;01;05
Unknown
And you have to be, you know, if you're a real Christian, you have to follow God's plan community, obviously, church rallies, you have prayer networks, you have people online that are having like online prayers. You have Michael Flynn, you know, traveling the country to and and just, taking it on the road and, and of course, identity politics typically.
00;39;01;07 - 00;39;20;27
Unknown
Yeah. Specifically targeting people who are lonely. Right. I feel like that's a good point. Like that's they targeted people who are lonely. Definitely give them community. And then the worst manipulation that happened there is the online part, because they tricked these people into believing that they were part of an online community that couldn't give a crap about them.
00;39;21;00 - 00;39;44;21
Unknown
Yeah. It's true. And and you know, when you when you throw in four chan, an eight chan, you know, there's there's that aspect of people putting way too much meaning into it because they think it's kind of this underground information source where they can get they can get meaningful information. That's, you know, beyond the fray. But it's it's B.S..
00;39;44;24 - 00;40;15;25
Unknown
Yeah. It gave people a feeling of being special. It gave them an a feeling of exclusivity, which made them a feeling of superiority, which led to, of course, identity politics, which I think is next on your list. Yeah, exactly. And and that's the biggest one when it comes to identity politics, is the victimhood, right. They always the Christian we talked about this in previous episodes where they're basically simultaneously in power and also the victims of power.
00;40;15;28 - 00;40;40;06
Unknown
You're right. It has been used as a tool of manipulation, like our Christians persecuted. Yeah. Sometimes. I mean, I think that that's fair to say on campuses that sometimes their voice saying, look, I don't believe that. And then they get shouted down, right. Try not shouting them down, you know, and maybe some of this dissonance will go away, right?
00;40;40;08 - 00;41;00;20
Unknown
Yeah. I mean, I went to college in, in the Bible Belt. I was confronted by, by preachers all the time, you know, door, door to door or on campus. And the best way to, to, confront it is just don't give them a devil to to attach to, you know, don't give them the face of the devil. Talk to them and be reasonable.
00;41;00;23 - 00;41;22;04
Unknown
You know, it, it always kind of twists it. It throws them for a loop sometimes because they have this, you know, preconceived idea that, anyone who's not Christian is, is, you know, part of the the evil cabal. I heard an evangelical pastor say that some Jehovah's Witnesses came to his door and said, hey, we want to talk to you about Jesus.
00;41;22;11 - 00;41;49;08
Unknown
And he said, come on in. Yeah, they're probably like, oh. But these QAnon narratives provided some sort of conspiracy glue, right? That there was the vaccine fair, there was a great reset idea that people who were already in America were being replaced by immigrants. There was UAPs. I mean, people used our stuff, right, to get into this.
00;41;49;08 - 00;42;14;15
Unknown
And I think that that gets us into it because we have to clarify some of this and go, how is this all related and how it's related to UAP? It's actually I'll just touch on real quick is we've talked about the Collins Elite, and the Collins Elite is an informal group of congressmen that are rumored to both exist and be very much against UAP disclosure, because they think it's all demonic.
00;42;14;18 - 00;42;45;08
Unknown
Right. And so some members of those Collins elite groups are very much some of these people. So there there is overlap there for sure. Right. So they're they're working behind the scenes to basically slow down any disclosure. Yes. This is one more group, but it's a get UAP disclosure. It's much easier to come up with a list of people who are on the side of UAP disclosure than it is to write to list all of the people that are against it.
00;42;45;08 - 00;43;14;04
Unknown
Yeah, right. But these things took over certain digital channels. They took over YouTube. They took over TikTok for a little while. They took over telegram, and it provided a huge online reach for whomever wanted to use it. And for a while there was QAnon was providing just basic influencer type cover for the news and said that was being used for a little while.
00;43;14;04 - 00;43;36;03
Unknown
It's just a political mouthpiece, and the result was tens of millions of people believing that they're in a cosmic battle. Yeah, and we got to look into motives. You know, it's obviously it's not just, a group of very religious people looking to get into heaven. They have an agenda. And the on this mortal coil, they have a lot of influence and power.
00;43;36;03 - 00;43;58;07
Unknown
And I think this is kind of a blend of, you know, you got American style Christianity, which is, innately about capitalism, right? You talk about the, prosperity gospel and then but you also have, you know, have this American Christianity, but you also have this kind of global view with Israel and all that in a political view.
00;43;58;09 - 00;44;24;19
Unknown
And I think that has to do. The last part has to do with kind of our modern times. Right? Because again, there's you have religious figures or, and political figures that don't like how the country is moving culturally. And you mix that with also the internet, where we just had the past 15 years, everyone's crazy uncle and grandfather got an I know, an online account and things started to change.
00;44;24;19 - 00;44;55;03
Unknown
Really quickly. And so we got this specific group. Now it's very infiltrated. It has infiltrated our government. What is their exact motive? What is their motive and why are we talking about it now? I think it's also a question because so their motives are power base. It's a theology of dominion. You can agree with that or not, but that is their belief that they believe that God commanded them to take over all of the earthly systems in order for Christ to return.
00;44;55;06 - 00;45;22;00
Unknown
And already that should give you more information about some of the things you see in the news. They have an apocalyptic urgency, and they believe that America is facing some form of divine judgment. Sure feels like that. Yeah, right. And they see a power vacuum and they exploited it. Yeah. The old GOP is falling off that old coalition is falling off.
00;45;22;00 - 00;45;53;09
Unknown
MAGA is a whole new coalition. Whole new coalition. And that they saw a power vacuum there that they wanted to fill with their own agenda and make them at the top, you know, and this is also revenge on secular modernity. It's they reject pluralism, feminism right. Cultural ism, globalism, global warming. And there's all of these new things I, I everything that's new gets a label of demonic attached to it.
00;45;53;12 - 00;46;14;10
Unknown
Right. And that's easy to sell because people prefer the old way. They're like, I don't want the new iPhone, I want the old one. And that one's demonic, right? Right, right, right. Yeah. It's easy to manipulate, and topics that people don't understand, but ultimately the motives here come down to what they do so often, which is money and control.
00;46;14;12 - 00;46;50;16
Unknown
Once they're embedded in government, as network can redirect policies, which they have, they can redirect contracts, which they have. Yeah. And they can redirect media access into its own infrastructure, which they are trying to do, which makes this relevant. Yeah, it makes it the perfect example and one that we can effect from all of our research lately on who controls what in the world, because QAnon may have faded, but the core dynamics of that movement still live on.
00;46;50;20 - 00;47;14;00
Unknown
There's still this idea of spiritual authoritarianism, which I don't think is well supported by the Bible. Maybe the old Testament, but it sees the culture war as a holy war, and it only sees one side of it. And this is not objective. I don't think it's terribly Christian. Right? Yeah. And it's definitely a it's definitely a culture war.
00;47;14;00 - 00;47;46;01
Unknown
And that's, that's the part that just kind of scares me a little when you have a group of powerful people calling themselves apostles, what are they going to be writing the new books of, of this, of this new form of Christianity that, you know, that blends American political power with money. And that's their hope, is that they can mobilize a base for apocalyptic action, which will give them a form of elite control via a theocracy.
00;47;46;04 - 00;48;05;03
Unknown
No, you replace the old elites with the new, and there's a few people running around trying to do this right, like teal. And this should make some of what he's doing makes sense. He saw these people doing this and he said, hey, this is where the power is going. This is where the structure is going. This is where the contracts are going.
00;48;05;05 - 00;48;28;21
Unknown
I need to get on board with them. I'm going to come up with my kooky Antichrist ideas. Yeah. So this should make that make sense a little bit more to when you look at the history here, the past is present. Yep. So yeah, it sounds like, you know, that seven mountains aren't coming. They're they're here and, I hope this kind of made sense to our listeners because it just kind of it's a huge topic.
00;48;28;23 - 00;48;55;00
Unknown
It could be a, you know, a seven episode series really, if you want to cover this topic, but sum it up a little bit because it's just it's a big topic. And we wanted to talk about fairies. Yeah, we're going to get to that plan. And I'm so excited to talk to you guys about fairies, because I just reread Robert Kirk's book, and there's so much in there from like 1691 that is so similar to what we were saying in our episodes.
00;48;55;00 - 00;49;16;11
Unknown
Yeah, I think it's really striking. But then in the midst of all of that, I started to learn about the Nar, and that sent me down this very deep rabbit hole. And this is just scratching the surface. I will add some good links for good research on this subject, but I would really recommend people look at the history here.
00;49;16;14 - 00;49;37;10
Unknown
Look at the history of the Nar, look at the history of charismatic movements, look at the history of Pentecostalism in America. And just just read the history and then practice your discernment. There is nothing wrong with that sort of knowledge. So I'll put some of those links below. But I feel like trying to do this in one episode is insane.
00;49;37;10 - 00;49;57;03
Unknown
With the amount of topics that we just touched on, what we were hoping to do here is give you a cohesive narrative to show you why they're all relevant to today, why it's something that you could pay attention to, why it's something that would add insight to all of these things that are going on. And I think it's also good food for you investigators and researchers out there.
00;49;57;03 - 00;50;30;24
Unknown
I know that there are people who have podcasts and blogs that listen to this show, and I know that some of you listen to the shows and then contribute to those different podcasts and shows by it through email, and that's all great. We love it when people do that with us as well. So I'm hoping that those of you with the investigative bug could take this even a little further, and maybe even strengthen some of those connections between some of these networks and real events, and maybe try to put them into a map and a timeline so that we can understand how deliberate all of this is.
00;50;30;24 - 00;50;52;17
Unknown
I mean, is it really just opportunity exposing itself? And then people who take advantage of opportunity jumping on board? Or are we looking at a plan right. Usually ends up being a mix of both. Right right right. Well, that wraps up this episode. It's always good talking to you from, you know, fairies and UFOs. We're going to get back to it.
00;50;52;17 - 00;51;24;28
Unknown
I really wanted to talk about that, but, you know, reality hits and, sometimes the the topics just come to us, and we have to we have to cover them. And it gave me an extra week to look into fairies that much more, because that's a huge subject, too. Yeah. Like we're going to be like just barely scratching the surface, but I'm going to try to stick to the stuff that since since our audience has some context there, I'm going to try to stick to the stuff that we already know about UAPs and that Kirk is saying back in 1691, it's nuts, right?
00;51;24;28 - 00;51;34;25
Unknown
Right. All right. Well, thanks again, everyone for listening. Please visit our website at 14 winds.com. Thanks, y'all. Take care out there. See you later.
