Frozen Billionaires, Flying Saucers, and the Fear of Free Energy

In this hard-hitting follow-up to their modern oligarchy exposé, Fortean Winds hosts Bones and RamX take us deep into the dark heart of UAP secrecy. Why don’t you know the truth about UFOs? Because the systems built to hide it are designed to preserve power, wealth, and control—not truth.

The duo lays out the three-pronged strategy used to suppress UAP-related knowledge: the corporate black box, legislative gutting, and the psychological cage that keeps the public distracted and dismissive. With examples ranging from the Schumer amendment to the 3i Atlas anomaly and even Epstein’s connection to elite networks, the episode weaves a narrative that’s as grounded in policy as it is in high strangeness.

You’ll learn why “free energy” scares billionaires, how defense contractors protect reverse-engineered tech through classification loopholes, and how social media influencers are now tools in a powerful campaign of misdirection.

If reality feels curated, maybe it’s because it is.

Check out RamX on The Higherside Chats podcast: https://www.thehighersidechats.com/ramx-hidden-codes-of-our-scripted-reality-the-ufo-occult-overlap-grimoire-patterns/

For more on the reflections in the sky pre-sputnik: https://forteanwinds.com/2025/10/21/reflections-before-sputnik-the-strange-case-of-the-palomar-transients/

The Thiel quote came from the following article in the Washinton Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/10/10/peter-thiel-antichrist-lectures-leaked/

Transcript

00;00;00;00 - 00;00;26;00
Unknown
Hello and welcome to the Fortean Winds podcast, where we talk about UFOs and all the related high strangeness. I'm Bones and with us, as always, is RamX. Hey! Hey, everybody. Yo, Ram. So the last time we tracked the American oligarchy, from the beginning. From the founding fathers, right up to today's, trillion dollar asset managers.

00;00;26;03 - 00;00;53;20
Unknown
We established that the elite power structure never went away. It simply upgraded its cage and, shifting from physical force to kind of a systemic, information control. And that that brings us to that concept of the digital cage. And now we confront the deepest, darkest mechanism of that cage. The one secret that proves the system is designed to protect wealth and control above all else.

00;00;53;22 - 00;01;14;14
Unknown
The UAP secrecy. We always have to touch on that because there are always things that go that way. You know? Yeah. Always there. And it's really how we started. So it's great that we can try to pull it all back together. Right. And, and I think also we're going to be able to tie in the Epstein stuff and why we were talking about that.

00;01;14;14 - 00;01;41;04
Unknown
Because it it really exposes this network that is in control of so much. And they are also in control and have deeper knowledge of the UAP phenomenon. And I know like when we first started my big problem with getting any of this information was like, well, if it was real, I would already know, right? And I think the majority of the public is still trying to figure that out.

00;01;41;04 - 00;02;01;19
Unknown
Like, hey, how could this be real? And I not know when and how do big secrets get kept? I was having trouble trying to wrap my brain around how to weave this all together, but one way I thought we could really demonstrate it is with the Kennedy assassination. So when JFK was assassinated, right. Everyone knew that the government was involved.

00;02;01;19 - 00;02;25;18
Unknown
There was a bunch of shady stuff going on. They did an investigation and said, we're not going to tell you the results of it for 50 years, right? 50 years roll by and they go, hey, we're not really going to tell you all of it anyway, right? So and we swallow all that, we how could we as Americans live in a transparent democratic republic if they can assassinate whoever we elect?

00;02;25;19 - 00;02;55;23
Unknown
Right. Right. Just by saying, hey. Oh, well, that's just too important for us to know. It doesn't make any sense. Right? So if you never had Kennedy is an option. They chose your options for you, right? And this is a great example of how that elite power structure gives us the illusion of freedom while maintaining control. So today we're going to use our analysis to expose the tools the oligarchs use to employ this real burden of transformative knowledge.

00;02;55;23 - 00;03;26;02
Unknown
That's kept in UAP and paranormal circles. We'll talk about how they keep that locked away, and we'll show you their three pronged strategy of obfuscation. They have the corporate black box, number one. And this is how defense contractors use trade secret and classified. And the laws around what private contractors have to tell Congress versus what the government employees have to tell Congress.

00;03;26;05 - 00;03;55;03
Unknown
It's there's strong evidence that would suggest that this was all moved under private contractors. And, I mean, UAP technology and research was moved under private contractors during the Nixon era. So at that point, they would be able to tell Congress to piss off. Right. So then you can turn whatever research that you find through UAP technology into wealth.

00;03;55;05 - 00;04;32;24
Unknown
You could use it to create proprietary things. And there's people who believe that some of our technology all tracks back to UAP crash retrievals. And if we look at the trajectory of technology, it does align. But that's not enough. And we know that, right? We need to go find where are these specific cases, like Jack Fil-A for example, was doing one of his Gandalf in riddles, and he was like, they're going to allow you to play with this technology for a few years before they then pull it back and keep it there.

00;04;32;25 - 00;04;55;09
Unknown
But there is technology that we got from a UFO UFO that is being socialized into the public. My best guess on what that is is AI right? Could be because the way he was describing it and the path that we're seeing where at first, I mean, I was able to build my own, I was able to do whatever without guardrails.

00;04;55;09 - 00;05;15;13
Unknown
And now the guardrails are just getting even worse, and the AI itself is getting more limited. So they're clearly trying to pull it back. So if I'm looking at what he said and if I believe it and I look at the trajectory of AI, I think that may be what he's talking about. And then there's the legislative gutting.

00;05;15;15 - 00;05;36;14
Unknown
We saw this happen during the Schumer rounds amendment, which was intended to give us UAP secrecy. It was intended to force UAP secrecy. But what they did was they went in there and gutted it, and they made sure that there was no third parties, that they could continue the lies. So legislative gutting is one big tactic they use.

00;05;36;17 - 00;06;02;14
Unknown
And let's think about that in the context of our last episode where we discuss lobbying. So if you have certain people like, say, Thomas Massey, who clearly doesn't care about party and is actually on the side of the American people, and he's like, I just want this Epstein disclosure. What you can do is use all of the congressmen that you control as a lobbying outfit and a donor to suppress Thomas Massey.

00;06;02;16 - 00;06;30;22
Unknown
Right. And you make him look like a fool, and you use all of your money to propagandize him, and you get influencers who you own to talk trash about Thomas Massey. So we're watching that happen. And in real time. And then there's the psychological cage. So we have corporate black box. We have legislative gutting. And then there's the psychological cage, which is really maintained by our digital ecosystem and environment as we talked about.

00;06;30;22 - 00;06;57;03
Unknown
That's the real birds and digital cages right. But this is how they like weaponized words like conspiracy theory. And they get you to self-censor. And I think three AI Atlas and we can work in a quick update on that. Three AI Atlas is a great example of that, because I was pretty hesitant on calling it anything anomalous, and I still am measured about calling it something anomalous.

00;06;57;03 - 00;07;21;17
Unknown
But let's look at where we are today. So I'll be lobe said a week ago that on October 29th that the path of the comment was going to get closer to the sun, and that if it was going to make a move to change its trajectory, it would do so on October 29th. And then we would know, is this possibly a powered, artificial object?

00;07;21;19 - 00;07;44;26
Unknown
Well, that happened. I mean, I don't think that there was anything particularly unusual that couldn't be explained prior to this because when it first appeared, they said, oh, there was no tail. But then as the object came into closer view, there was a tail. There was no cloud, which is called a coma, and that's usually around a comet.

00;07;44;29 - 00;08;06;05
Unknown
But it got into closer view. And then there was a cloud. But then the first highly unusual thing happened, and that there was a tail also in the front right. So there's a lot of scientific reasons why that may be happening. Comets give off gas. It's called outgassing. It can also affect their trajectory. So that may be what happened.

00;08;06;07 - 00;08;28;09
Unknown
But when it got into position on October 29th, it made an unusual turn that we can't explain. It could be due to its unusual composition, but we can't explain it. So the fact of the matter is, a week before he said, hey, if this does this, that is anomalous. It did that and then everyone starts acting in bad faith.

00;08;28;12 - 00;08;51;23
Unknown
I was just looking at Reddit this morning, and there was all these people trying to say, it's nothing. It's nothing based on nothing. If I'm not saying it's aliens, why are you saying it's not aliens? Right? Right. This is self-censorship. This is exactly what we're talking about here. It's the psychological cage. And it's such a great example. And this happening in real time.

00;08;51;26 - 00;09;23;22
Unknown
And that's the big one. So we're going to focus on the mechanisms of information control. Because if you don't know the information's out there that that's how you're kept. Just like Kennedy. So the UAP phenomenon that we understand from whistleblowers and whatever data has leaked is non-kinetic. It's non-fossil fuel dependent, which makes it disruptive technology. Just disrupting the fossil fuel economy would cause so many massive changes.

00;09;23;29 - 00;09;49;24
Unknown
And those 2000 to 5000 elites we identified in our Who Runs the world episode, they are super dependent on that. That is a linchpin of our world economic system. Yep. So we could almost stop there. These things are clearly not being driven by fossil fuel, because it would take so much fossil fuel to do what they're doing. The objects would have to be enormous, right?

00;09;49;27 - 00;10;27;27
Unknown
So they need to maintain that secrecy in order to maintain the economic cage which is built on scarcity and resource control. Think rare earth metals, oil that leads to centralized power. Those things are basically money. Black gold, Texas tea. Beverly Hills, Beverly Hillbillies I would say so. UAP technology could shatter the entire energy, transportation and defense economy and could destroy the wealth base of a financial and industrial oligarchs.

00;10;27;29 - 00;11;02;14
Unknown
So secrecy becomes wealth preservation. Yep. You maintain secrecy through the military industrial complex. The defense sector includes corporate oligarchs that utilize highly compartmentalized, unacknowledged special access programs, like the reported Immaculate Constellation program that we talked about that Matthew Brown had exposed, which is a database with all this UAP information, unacknowledged special access program, which means nobody knows about it and they can still get money.

00;11;02;16 - 00;11;36;04
Unknown
Right? The classified nature of UAP and the heavy reliance on private contractors like Lockheed Raytheon ensures that taxpayer funded research becomes privatized. Intellectual property. And this secrecy allows contractors to set their own standards about who is allowed to know what. Effectively creating a contractor fed information cage lobbying the donors. That's the cycle. That's the system. That's why you don't know about UFOs, right?

00;11;36;07 - 00;12;01;29
Unknown
And of course, you want to throw in, you know, the the process of lobbying and the revolving door, at in DC, where, you know, politicians play nice with it because they know that someday they won't be in office and they want they want in. And that's a legal cage, right? And that brings us into the mechanisms of obfuscation, which involves classification and legal obfuscation.

00;12;01;29 - 00;12;30;11
Unknown
So they use FOIA exemptions because there are exemptions to Foil. We keep seeing researchers say, I foiled this, I foiled that, but they don't always say what it is. And then when they do give you the FOIA, it's heavily redacted. And then other times they say this does not fall under FOIA exemption. Three FOIA says that they don't have to provide for you information about anything that might be a trade secret if they're a defense contractor.

00;12;30;13 - 00;12;58;28
Unknown
So you see how this gets hidden, like it just gets hidden, even legally and systemically. So the legal cage turns public data into private, monetizable trade secrets. And that allows corporations to monopolize critical knowledge. This is a form of data privatization, and it guts democratic oversight, doesn't it? Yeah, but if people get too spun up about that, you can always use media and narrative control.

00;12;59;00 - 00;13;28;04
Unknown
We call this the blur because we're so tired of the words flooding the zone. Flooding the zone. Right? Right. And this involves media concentration and disinformation. You have to own the media, and then you have to set the messages and the narratives. And I think what's most interesting today that's happening is this grab for influencers, like we're watching these donors and big money people gather around people like Rogan.

00;13;28;05 - 00;13;53;03
Unknown
Yeah. Laura Loomer, there's some on the left, too, that were taking money that didn't disclose it. Like David Pacman Bryant, Taylor Cohen, that that they were exposed as being funded by big donors too. It's so and so impactful. I mean, it's so easy to when you think about it, because you got these folks that are just of modest means to happen to be popular on, on YouTube that are can suddenly be multimillionaires.

00;13;53;05 - 00;14;12;16
Unknown
And it's just a it's nothing for these oligarchs. It's just it's petty cash. Yeah. So they look at it like this is the opportunity of a lifetime. And then the oligarch looks at it like, okay, well, you're just one more talking head for me. They don't really care. Yeah. And they look at the effect on us as cattle.

00;14;12;19 - 00;14;33;24
Unknown
They that's how they view us. I've worked for a couple of people on those richest 500 people in the US list, and I can tell you that they don't look at humanity in the public the same way you and I look at humanity, right? Yeah. I mean, there's an obvious disconnection from normal society when you're when you're an oligarch.

00;14;33;26 - 00;15;13;05
Unknown
Media conglomerates have deep historic ties to the intelligence community. And we've discussed some of this. And a lot of this came out in trials during the 70s. Like there's post MK ultra era. People started finding out about all these mind control programs. There were hearings. So you can go back and look at a lot of that. I know we discussed that in some of our earlier episodes, but Thiem notes Richard Thiem, who we discussed as the real birds and digital cage concept, he notes that the CIA was working with The New York Times, CBS to control the narrative flow, and now that's becoming Laura Loomer, right?

00;15;13;07 - 00;15;41;03
Unknown
Or whomever. You know, wherever our eyeballs are, they need to control, you know, it's kind of sad, too, because if you think back, jeez, I guess you could think back 15 years ago. Remember the Arab Spring when there was suddenly these, moves to, for democracy or just social movements in, in the Arab world. And it was based on this new form of communication.

00;15;41;05 - 00;16;09;14
Unknown
People were using Twitter and people were using the internet to communicate and organize more like, wow, look at this. The power of the internet is going to spread democracy through the world. And in social justice, it took maybe five, ten years for the oligarchs of the world to just turn, turn that right around that cannon right into the public's face, and it just and just use it as a weapon against all of that.

00;16;09;17 - 00;16;35;20
Unknown
It doesn't exist anymore. That's right. They're weaponizing influencers and they're using them to either exclude information or trivialize information. So this is typically what happens with UFOs is they're either not talking about it like people are not going to talk about the fact that Atlus just made a weird turn, or they trivialize it and they say, oh, that can all be explained by outgassing.

00;16;35;22 - 00;17;03;04
Unknown
Wherever we you're going to have to do a whole paper on that. And we're talking about real science. We're talking about real observations. This was an observation that was anomalous. Yes. It could have a scientific explanation. But you're just saying there's a scientific explanation is no different than someone telling me it's aliens, right? So you force the public to rely on fragmented entertainment or infotainment, right?

00;17;03;06 - 00;17;37;15
Unknown
Rather than government transparency. And you do that by gaining complicity, and you gain complicity by telling them something that they want to hear. So this is a common tactic. Scapegoating is the biggest one, right? That's right. If you're all upset about this group of immigrants, you know, and this has been going on since obviously World War two and before, if you're all upset about this group of immigrants, I'm going to pair my billionaire oligarchy agenda with your hatred of immigrants.

00;17;37;17 - 00;17;59;00
Unknown
Right. And then you'll vote for me to have a big tax cut and for you to get nothing. Yeah, it's the same idea. Yeah, but that's how you. They get you to self-censor. That's how they get you to advocate for their agenda is by going, okay, what is it that bothers you? Because we don't really care. Peter Thiel and the Antichrist doesn't really care, right?

00;17;59;01 - 00;18;26;07
Unknown
He's like, hey, I'm just going to find something that motivates you and go, hey, if you care about this, then you care about my right. Right? You have to push back when people buck that system. So there's also whistleblower retribution, which we would name is like the third part of this mechanism of obfuscation. And this involves bureaucratic retaliation, which is what David Crush is talking about right now.

00;18;26;07 - 00;18;45;17
Unknown
He's talking about a guy showing a gun to him while he was in the car. He's talking about his place being broken into. And it's been years now, so why are they still picking on David crush? Not to shut him up, obviously, because he's already spoke and he's continuing to speak. It's to intimidate the next guy, right? Exactly.

00;18;45;20 - 00;19;12;01
Unknown
And then they get self-censorship out of that. That's how it all work. The fear cage reinforces the secrecy structure, and the oligarchy uses the threat of losing security clearance, professional isolation, financial ruin, or even criminal activities to discourage real birds from telling the truth. And that brings us to the money, the black budget and accountability gap. You're talking about dollar dollar bills.

00;19;12;01 - 00;19;51;29
Unknown
Yeah. That's right. Maybe classified budgets. That's where the dollars are. These special access programs often have classified budgets that prohibit meaningful oversight from Congress and allow them to spend indiscriminately on UAP. And so the financial cage prevents accountability. It both provides the money and then allows them to hide the money. Right. When Congress can't track the money trail, it can't verify the claims of UAP crash retrievals, reverse engineering programs, and it protects the financial pipeline of the military industrial complex.

00;19;51;29 - 00;19;56;25
Unknown
Oligarchs.

00;19;56;27 - 00;20;07;21
Unknown
You.

00;20;07;23 - 00;20;25;11
Unknown
You.

00;20;25;14 - 00;21;01;13
Unknown
Know. So yeah, it's becoming pretty obvious that the UAP secret is not about little green men. It's about disruptive technology. You know, whistleblowers describe technologies with, non kinetic propulsion that defy known physics. So basically it's can be keeping us from free abundant energy. And oligarchs don't like that. And if you look at, you know, there's so many, political think tanks and organizations, in DC who are basically funded by fossil fuels.

00;21;01;18 - 00;21;32;07
Unknown
That's right. The cost of chaos is too high. You know, Gorky's wealth is rooted in controlling energy, transportation and resource scarcity. So imagine if you AP tech did give us zero point energy. That doesn't just crash. ExxonMobil collapses an entire scarcity based economy and economy that runs on finite resources, right? Control over which gives you enormous control over the population.

00;21;32;09 - 00;21;55;10
Unknown
Those 2000 to 5000 elite depend on resource scarcity. And so up to the extent that they would allow us free resources, threaten all of that. And, you know, you and I it's a good moment to mention, we had discussed a couple of times about Peter Thiel and how we felt very strongly that his motives were all fear based.

00;21;55;12 - 00;22;22;20
Unknown
And then you shared an article with me earlier in the week that I have to read a quote from, because it's very rare that you get this type of extreme confirmation from a behavioral analysis. Yeah. It's like, hey, you guys were all right. So let me read you this, quote from Peter Thiel here. It's from the Washington Post article titled Inside Billionaire Peter Thiel's Private Lectures warnings of the Antichrist.

00;22;22;22 - 00;22;54;16
Unknown
In it, and this was recorded, he said, it's become quite difficult to hide one's money and incredible machinery of tax treaties, financial surveillance and sanctions. Architecture has been constructed. Wealth gives the illusion of power and autonomy. But you have this sense it could be taken away at any moment. And for eight he seemed so worried about it. And if you look at them, he's always a sweaty mess.

00;22;54;16 - 00;23;32;27
Unknown
Have you noticed that? Yes, yes. It's like it's like every second of his life he's worried about his money being taken away. He's worth $20 billion. And it's like he heard us saying that and decided to go. Yeah, that's really what I'm upset about. It's amazing. And and one of the. And then when I came across the fact that he is actually, into, freezing his body, there's that, company in Arizona that will take your money and, so that when you die, they will put you in a cryogenic slumber, or they just freeze your body.

00;23;32;27 - 00;23;57;02
Unknown
Basically, they fill you, fill up your fluids, they fill you up with basically antifreeze and throw you in a freezer so he can be brought back to life in the future. Why? If you are deeply religious person, why that request? Oh, would you want that? Great question. Yes. If you're so Christian, wouldn't you rather move on to the next step?

00;23;57;05 - 00;24;21;25
Unknown
Yeah. What? You believe in the afterlife. You. You want to be pulled out of the afterlife 50 years later? Yeah. Just kind of blows up his whole argument, doesn't it? Yeah. These people are ridiculous. And they live with the 5% problem, which is what we call it when 95% of UAP sightings are explained, but the other 5% have never been explained.

00;24;21;28 - 00;24;52;11
Unknown
Right. And they've been going on forever. Right? The oligarchy doesn't have to hide 100% of the reports. They only have to disabuse the 5%. They only have to trivialize or normalize the 5% and just say, oh, that's nothing, right? The 95% were fake, right? And hiding that 5% requires a constant background of static and doubt. It's the psychological cage that they really need to put you in to trivialize it.

00;24;52;14 - 00;25;15;15
Unknown
I can't emphasize that enough. They just want to say it's nothing. Don't worry about it. Even though they're obsessed with it. Right? Right. So they don't need to fool us. They just have to exhaust us into indifference. If we if we look at this in the context of what our godfather, John Keil, said, it's very similar when you talk about Operation Trojan Horse and he he talked about all of this stuff 60 years ago.

00;25;15;17 - 00;25;44;04
Unknown
So it's still happening. We can confirm that because we did all of the research to confirm that it's still happening and that he was right the first time. It's a phenomenon that's being kept secret by misdirection and control. But they use different language based on the era's dominant technology and societal concerns. So like in keels time, it was M waves and he was all about electromagnetic waves.

00;25;44;04 - 00;26;04;29
Unknown
So they were trying to trivialize that in our time. It's quantum. So they're trying to trivialize that. And we we've always said we think that this phenomenon is heavily reliant on quantum mechanics, but maybe the next generation will have a science that will take us even further. We just can only deal with the science we have of the time.

00;26;05;02 - 00;26;33;06
Unknown
And if we were to acknowledge some of this stuff and start from here, and this is why we are so passionate about talking about how this phenomenon is an adaptive expression of an unknown intelligence. And the three of us came up with that, you, me and our audience, like we own that. That is our definition of UAP. They are an adaptive expression of an unknown intelligence.

00;26;33;09 - 00;27;01;03
Unknown
Changed my mind. So Kyle saw this as the ultra terrestrials. That or the Nai, you know, the the beings who are really at the heart of this. And they might be at this point, I would say they are either at the heart of this and controlling it, or there's some sort of collusion going on between these groups and the beings, because in order to maintain this secrecy, it takes both of them.

00;27;01;03 - 00;27;27;24
Unknown
It takes both the elites hiding it, and it takes the phenomenon hiding itself. So why wouldn't they collude? And we have a number of anecdotal cases and evidence that says they have that they've met. But Kyle saw these ultra terrestrials as non-human, ancient, and often malevolent. He did say that they existed outside of space and time. So all of that aligns.

00;27;27;24 - 00;27;51;27
Unknown
I mean, the often malevolent thing I think is debatable. But we because we just don't have the whole spectrum to analyze. We don't have the whole spectrum of interactions to analyze. So can we say it's over 50% bad? I don't think we can say that with assurance. Right? Right. Especially with just the growing number of experiencers coming out.

00;27;51;27 - 00;28;15;17
Unknown
I mean, it's it's not all negative, that's for sure. Yeah. It's gray. I we don't really know. It is manipulative. They are in control clearly because anytime you make all the rules you're in far more control than anyone else is in the game. Right. But this system, this network is a shadowy, high level, almost breakaway civilization. That's a concept that I know.

00;28;15;17 - 00;28;37;14
Unknown
Richard Dolan really likes. But if they have more knowledge of the UAP phenomenon than us, it gives them more capabilities than us. Then yes, they're breaking away. We can look at this with AI. If you have AI that is more capable of someone else's AI, and it can make your business more successful, then you're kind of breaking away from them.

00;28;37;16 - 00;29;04;07
Unknown
They no longer can compete with you. Kill would refer to that method of control as a sort of a psychic circus, and the phenomenon would manufacture like bizarre, theatrical and constantly changing events like Mothman was something more akin to folklore aliens or something more akin to science fiction. And then we have the angels and the demons, which are more akin to something biblical.

00;29;04;09 - 00;29;29;16
Unknown
Right? But the fact that all of these things are appearing at once and either where Grand Central Station for the interdimensional travelers of the universe, or it's all one thing, and it's attempting to maintain its secrecy and obfuscate by showing up as different things. And once again, here we are five years later, saying, it sure looks like it's more the latter.

00;29;29;19 - 00;30;06;24
Unknown
It's all one thing. They're showing up this different things, these interactions all have a consistent pattern. So we see that Psychic Circus as more narrative control. The financial elite network tends to leak. Sometimes it spins and it controls information when it leaks. And they do this through carefully cultivated political and media assets. Whistleblowers, journalists, think tanks, influencers, to shape public perception, maintain secrecy.

00;30;06;26 - 00;30;36;17
Unknown
Those things are really necessary. But what's their motive? Kyle saw it more as ideological or psychological leverage. You're creating a new, destabilizing and confusing mythology that you could then control and distract from its manipulative nature. And I think we see this as more systemic and financial leverage, which is not altogether different. You know, those two things are closely aligned.

00;30;36;19 - 00;31;06;16
Unknown
Yep. But it allows you to maintain an unaccountable, multitrillion dollar security state that is hidden from political oversight and can use UAP and Nazi information as its ultimate source of power and leverage. And in order to keep all that buried, you have to hide what it would refer to as the damned data. Right? And that's why it was damned.

00;31;06;18 - 00;31;32;27
Unknown
You're not allowed to talk about it, right? He called his first book, book of the damned, and it was damned facts. And he was like, these are facts that no one wants to talk about because they dispute all of their theories and hypotheses about all of the other facts. Right? Right. So what do you do? You just bury him and you say, hey, this is the world you live in.

00;31;33;00 - 00;31;56;14
Unknown
Don't look at these things or that. I'll tell you, it's not the world you live in. And I don't want to kill some big, 14 observations. Was that, the phenomenon is kind of a, chameleonic in the in the sense that it acts like a Trojan horse and, you know, smuggles bizarre new beliefs in society to kind of distract us.

00;31;56;16 - 00;32;23;01
Unknown
Yeah. He thought it was doing so with a sort of a malevolent agenda, which it might be. We're not sure we have to keep investigating to to find out, but I think we complement that by saying that there is also a human intelligence apparatus that appears to be working with, whether it is through a marriage of convenience or through direct interactions.

00;32;23;01 - 00;32;45;26
Unknown
Right, right. They appear to be working together to create some type of a breakaway civilization scenario, and they want you to be distracted by the philosophical mystery of UAP so that you miss out on all of the political and financial corruption that enables that secrecy. All right. So we're really trying to complement John Keels. Fill it out more.

00;32;45;28 - 00;33;08;10
Unknown
We're we're trying to say, okay, this is the other half. There's two halves to this. It's not just the UAP that are doing this. There's also a very human segment of our society that is maintaining this. And they're doing so with an agenda of their own. Yeah. And I think we have to see all of that so that we can figure out how to get through it all.

00;33;08;13 - 00;33;34;17
Unknown
And you know what? This is, a really good point we need to talk about is that as we wrap up this episode, is that we are approaching November collectively. We've been seeing a very obvious pattern when it comes to UAP activity. And you remember, the new Jersey drone incident was is always been the highest activity on the coast of of these so-called drones was in November.

00;33;34;17 - 00;34;10;08
Unknown
So we're approaching this timeline again, and we get to see if this obvious pattern continues. Yeah. They told me at what they said that it would peak in November. Again, I know I was about to say that, but I did. I should mention I was on the higher side chats I talked a lot about. Oh, that's right. Things that I've never talked about on this show, if you're interested, I know that that's up on the higher side chats.com, so you can hear some more information about some of this contact that I've been dealing with and what that was all about.

00;34;10;08 - 00;34;26;21
Unknown
But I'll just mention real briefly here because we've talked about it before. But and I do want to do a whole wrap up of what that show was, because we've never presented that stuff here at 14 winds. It would just take us all long. Yeah. To do it here. Yeah, that was a great thank you so much.

00;34;26;26 - 00;34;51;14
Unknown
Yeah. You know, I know that that audience is more familiar with the crazy. So I, I just feel felt freed. It felt free to just let it all out there. But, I do understand that there was a bunch of questions there, and I want to put together some stuff to try to round that out some. But anyway, my long way of saying they told me that it was going to be mid-November, that that there would be another peak.

00;34;51;17 - 00;35;20;21
Unknown
Yeah. And we're already seeing a sign because I just heard that, the what? The Reagan, airport in Washington, DC had a bunch of, was basically grounded all flights because of some mysterious object and, and airspace. So it might just suddenly happened. So we'll see, like last year. Just like last year. Yeah. And look at how it's it keeps ramping up and it hasn't ramped up yet this year.

00;35;20;21 - 00;35;40;12
Unknown
But they told me that this year they would probably complete data collection, whatever that means. And they said I should be questioning what happens after they finish data collection. And I said, well, what happens after you finish data collection? They said, that's the question you should be asking. Yeah. Oh, okay. I guess we'll try to figure that one out next.

00;35;40;12 - 00;36;15;02
Unknown
Yeah. Obvious patterns are really, really fascinating. It is. It's clearly data collection because we see we've seen no physical interactions. So it's recon you know recon for what know I mean I, I still I still struggle to understand why they would need so much intelligence in order to invade. I mean, there's so much more powerful than us. It just doesn't make sense.

00;36;15;04 - 00;36;32;02
Unknown
But they're sending a message. I mean, I think that that is clear, that they are sending a message. And then there's the whole thing about nukes where, you know, and we talked about this a long time ago, and I said, look, they're telling me this nuke stuff. And at the time there wasn't that much going on with nukes.

00;36;32;02 - 00;36;51;09
Unknown
So I was like, I don't even know why they're telling me or why I would feel the need to say it. But they were effusive, so I said it. And here we are, like Trump saying, you know, he wants us to restart nuclear testing. That's right. So there's more saber rattling going on again with nukes. Yeah. Not good.

00;36;51;12 - 00;37;27;20
Unknown
And their connection to nukes is clear. We just got another scientific paper that makes that clear from Doctor Beatrice Villareal. And in her paper she shows that there were artificial objects that were reflecting sunlight pre Sputnik like back in the 50s. Wow. And they appeared plus or minus one day from nuclear tests. There was a strong correlation. And then there was a weak correlation to UAP events, but there was a strong correlation to the time that the white House got visited by UFOs back in the 50s.

00;37;27;23 - 00;37;48;27
Unknown
There is one more piece of scientific proof that these things are correlated, and I would bet dollars to donuts that if you looked up there today, you'd be seeing some of those same reflections. It's just that we couldn't pass them out. Given all the crap that's floating around in our orbit. These days. Right? Right. So we end up with the same result.

00;37;48;27 - 00;38;16;29
Unknown
I mean, the truth is a controlled narrative. It's designed to leverage human attention for the benefit of a hidden intelligence, whether that intelligence is non-human or an ultra powerful secret human network. We have to look at it through this lens to create a direct, measurable target for investigation in the form of systemic power structures, because that's what's keeping this all hidden.

00;38;17;02 - 00;38;37;14
Unknown
If we choose to look at it through the lens of government and power and media and public. Or we could go off and do crazy experiments in cemeteries and on the sides of mountains and share data like this. Right here is another path for us right.

00;38;37;16 - 00;39;02;17
Unknown
So I think that's a good place to wrap up. I mean, we we're on the verge of, of another movement when it comes to, UAP, activity. And we are also just witnessing a lot of abuse of power and a lot of just disinformation. So we're going to help our listeners decipher it all and separate them, and we'll analyze them as it goes, as it goes on.

00;39;02;20 - 00;39;36;22
Unknown
But, we're living in extraordinary times. People as bones catch phrase. Yeah, yeah, historic, truly historic times. And you rarely recognize history as you're living through it. But here we are. And if we looked at this through political history or world history as well as UFO history, these things are unprecedented. Yeah, for sure. All right. Well, glad to be going through it with all of U.S..

00;39;36;25 - 00;39;55;12
Unknown
That's right. All right. Well good discussion Ram. Thanks again. Thank you bones. Oh, and just real quick. I know some people have left fan mail or send us a text. We have that feature on some of our episodes. I don't know how to respond to that. They don't give you an easy way to respond to that. But fan mail.

00;39;55;12 - 00;40;15;12
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00;40;15;13 - 00;40;32;22
Unknown
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00;40;32;24 - 00;41;01;29
Unknown
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