Buga Sphere, Alien Mummies & UAP Secrets: What’s Really Going On?

In Episode 33 of Fortean Winds, we dive into three of the most controversial and compelling UAP and paranormal stories of 2025:

🛸 The Buga Sphere — Discovered in Colombia after reportedly flying over the town, this seamless metallic orb has sparked fierce debate. Is it alien tech or a high-concept art project? We examine the evidence and expert opinions.

🧬 Nazca Mummies Update — From “alien dolls” made of animal bones to metallic implants and DNA anomalies, new developments from 2024–2025 keep this Peruvian mystery alive. Are they elaborate hoaxes, misunderstood relics, or something truly otherworldly?

🎙️ Immaculate Whistleblower — Matthew Brown breaks his silence in the explosive “Immaculate Constellation” series. With claims of UAP encounters, hidden visual data, and government secrecy, his testimony is shaking the disclosure movement.

From government whistleblowers to strange spheres and the never-ending Nazca saga, this episode dissects what’s real, what’s hype, and what we still don’t know.

And some wild Greer claims captured in a Reddit post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ix6p32/for_the_greer_believers_some_of_his_claims/

Transcript

[Music] 
 Welcome to the Fortean Winds podcast where we 
 talk about UFOs and all the related high 
 stranges. I go by Bones and with us as 
 always is Ramx. Hey. Hey everybody. Hey 
 Ram. It's uh good to have you on the air 
 because uh I've been really wanting to 
 catch up with all the UAP news that's 
 been going on. Um, you know, we've been 
 talking, we've had that three-part 
 series about the occult and Nazis, but 
 uh, even though it seems like there's 
 not much going on, there really is, and 
 we have to catch up on that stuff. Yeah, 
 it's always different depending on which 
 side of the news you're looking at. If 
 you're, you know, in the UFO community, 
 it seems like disclosure is always 
 imminent and there's a whole economy and 
 a group of people who are pushing that 
 narrative. And I think that's what we're 
 going to talk about today. We we don't 
 really talk about that as much. Yeah. I 
 mean, everyone's it's really easy to to 
 kind of focus too much on on what's 
 going on in the government and are they 
 going to expose all the real 
 information. There's there's a lot 
 that's going on that we could uh a lot 
 of puzzle pieces we can use to put it 
 all together, but it's kind of the same 
 old stuff, but we have to keep track of 
 it all. I think that's the intro for 
 newer listeners. And for our older 
 listeners, who wants to take bets on 
 whether or not we can do a current 
 events episode without pissing off uh 
 50% of the people out there, right? It's 
 part of it's part of the scene. All 
 right. Well, let's uh let's let's get 
 into it. And my goal is to get out of 
 this without causing any form of 
 controversy just by talking about UFO 
 news. Let's just talk about UFO news. 
 That's it. Just like any other podcast. 
 Yeah. tell you the one thing that that 
 stuck out in my mind and maybe I 
 mentioned it previous episodes, but 
 there was a written testimony by a 
 retired I believe Navy Rear Admiral and 
 I think it's someone that you used met 
 at in San 
 Francisco and he had written testimony. 
 What's his name? Ga Galllet. I might get 
 his name. Sam Gallagh that's that's his 
 name. And really fascinating document. 
 You can go online and find it. It's a 
 written testimony uh to Congress and 
 he's his basically his argument is that 
 it's getting to the point where people 
 in the Navy are basically 
 desensitized by how common it is. So 
 they're seeing objects constantly and 
 it's it's it's so constant it's not even 
 being discussed. So we're living in two 
 realities here. There's a reality where 
 people know UFOs are real and there's 
 another reality where people either 
 think they are not real or are choosing 
 to deny their reality. Right? So Tim 
 Galedet's point and Ryan Graves point 
 who is also leading the charge for uh 
 pilot safety in regard to UAP is that 
 this has to be addressed because it's 
 getting closer and closer to pilots. 
 Pilots are saying it's a hazard. It's 
 causing all sorts of uh issues with 
 training exercises and that stuff costs 
 millions, right? It costs millions of 
 dollars every time you have to turn that 
 freaking boat. Yeah. And Galedet, his 
 his main his main uh function was 
 basically a meteorologist making sure 
 that conditions were were good. Yeah. 
 Were safe for for training and exercises 
 and whatnot. So, it was a big deal for 
 him. So, I think that's a good way to 
 frame also the disclosure movement in 
 general. So, you see Luellando and it's 
 pretty funny what's going on with him 
 talking about current events. I'm sorry 
 to to laugh, but he showed a picture at 
 a conference of what ended up turning 
 out to be farming equipment and he 
 thought it was a UFO, right? 
 It was just given to him that morning 
 and he was like, "Look, here's something 
 someone gave me. This needs to be 
 investigated." And he was saying, "Look, 
 I didn't know. I didn't vet it." and the 
 UFO community. Yeah. They are not taking 
 uh that lightly. Yeah. So, everyone who 
 had a problem with Luzando started 
 taking shots and doing one of the I'm 
 going to take a sabatical to reconsider 
 my positions on some of these things 
 like like when celebrities get busted 
 saying racist stuff, they're like I'm 
 going to go meet with a spiritual. 
 Right. Right. Right. Damage control. 
 Yeah. Lou's doing one of those. But 
 that's a good way for me to at least 
 clarify how I feel about Lu Alzando and 
 several of the people in that world. I 
 know I've been asked about it a few 
 times on different shows and I think I 
 can clarify that point of view a little 
 more today with that I view those people 
 as politicians. 
 You could call them influencers if you 
 like, but politicians influencers 
 they're intending to do the same thing. 
 Politicians are intending to influence 
 you to vote for them. influencers are 
 intending to influence you to vote for 
 politicians or take some other action on 
 behalf of them, even if it's monetary 
 and gain, right? Yeah. So, that's who 
 they are. Even Gary Nolan, you know, who 
 I have a respect for and I think he's 
 he's genuine in his interest in science 
 and disclosure, but they are 
 politicians, which means they're also 
 going to play games. Yeah. And we hope 
 that it's on our behalf in order to get 
 disclosure. And that's what they keep 
 telling us. people like Melon and 
 Alzando and Nolan and Valle, they're 
 like, "Look, we're we're playing with 
 the government, but we're doing so for 
 you and we're trying to get what we can 
 and we're trying to get this all out." 
 Yeah. I mean, much like politicians who 
 are kind of quas celebrities on cable 
 news. I mean, they're they have this 
 kind of this celebrity status and they 
 probably have pressures, you know, they 
 they're probably feeling pressure to 
 come up with something else and fill up 
 some time. They have to keep momentum. 
 Is that what you mean? Yeah. Yeah, they 
 right. And that's influence. That's what 
 politicians do, right? It's if this is 
 your issue. If UFOs are your issue, then 
 you have to keep introducing new 
 information all the time to keep people 
 interested and you have to keep saying 
 disclosure is just around the corner or 
 why would anyone be interested? How are 
 you going to keep people interested? 
 Right. 
 At the same time that you're doing that, 
 you're also kind of bullshitting people 
 a little bit. Yeah. Right. Politicians 
 do that all the time, which is another 
 way we can get into some disclosure 
 stuff and why we've kind of been 
 avoiding talking about current events 
 because the Trump administration has 
 shown zero interest in disclosure. Yeah, 
 it seems to be this the same old 
 scenario. So that committee that was 
 started in Congress, which we said a 
 while back, we were like, I I I feel 
 encouraged by this that I think Anna 
 Paulina Luna is genuine in her interest 
 in disclosure, but again, she's a 
 politician. She has to play games. Let 
 me tell you, when Grush went in there 
 the first time, two years ago now, he 
 gave them names, he gave them locations. 
 All they had to do was go there, look at 
 the stuff, and talk to the people, 
 right? But they stopped them. That's 
 that's what Luna said while Biden was 
 present. They stopped them, right? And 
 they needed some sort of congressional 
 authority. They needed presidential 
 authority to go in there and look at the 
 stuff. Biden didn't give that to them. 
 Trump is not giving that to them that 
 it's the same same old. And what's 
 making some of the things about the 
 Trump administration worse towards 
 disclosure is that they're throwing up 
 smoke screens. 
 So, this committee that they started 
 with Luna was supposed to be about UAPs 
 only, but as she mentioned, it ended up 
 being about a bunch of conspiracy stuff. 
 They threw in 9/11. They threw in 
 Epstein. They threw in JFK. Right. 
 Right. I gotcha. Yeah. So, they So, they 
 clumped it in into this huge push to 
 disclose all kinds of stuff that was up 
 there. They're like, "We're going to 
 disclose all of it at once." And then 
 what they threw up was smoke screens on 
 all of it. Right. Right. Now, here's why 
 a smoke screen is worse than a denial. 
 Because a smoke screen is intended to 
 end the conversation. Let's take the 
 mystery drone event for example. If the 
 government says, "We can't talk about 
 it." The conversation is ongoing. It's 
 like, "What do you mean you can't talk 
 about it? What do you Let's look at more 
 details. Why can't they talk about it?" 
 The conversation keeps going. But if the 
 government says they were all FAA 
 approved test drones that made us move 
 our most advanced stealth fighters out 
 of our most advanced air force base in 
 our own country, right? It's intended to 
 end the conversation with a very stupid 
 lie. Yeah. And when it comes to UFOs, 
 the media will swallow that lie for the 
 most part. Pretty much. Yeah. But we are 
 seeing some cracks in that, right? With 
 the mystery drone event, it took I don't 
 know how many months for them to admit 
 that the so-called mystery drones were 
 UAP. We told you that back in December, 
 the first week of December, right? 
 Right. And that is now our right. That 
 is our most popular episode of all time 
 now. Uh it was our Colonel Mustard 
 moment where we were like they're UAP 
 and we could prove it in less than a 
 half an hour on a freaking audio 
 podcast. And it took six months, but 60 
 Minutes did a piece on it recently where 
 they first talked about the mystery 
 drones. And then this is how they 
 handled it. And I respect this. They 
 they brought in a second segment where 
 they brought in Lou Alzando and they 
 talked about UAP. 
 So there's a good example of how Lou 
 Alzando serves the community. Like I'm 
 not here to be an apologist for him. 
 It's not at all. Like I'm telling you 
 that they're a politician. So I trust 
 them as much as I trust any politician, 
 which is not much, right? 
 as it comes to UAPs or the whole drone 
 phenomenon, it it's only shifted. So, we 
 we don't see much news coming out of New 
 Jersey about it anymore, but now there's 
 news about sightings around the border 
 and around Arizona and and there's 
 there's like Border Patrol folks now 
 reporting that they're seeing them and 
 they're becoming desensitized by it, 
 too. Yeah, that's interesting that the 
 Border Patrol Ross Cohart did an 
 interesting interview with a guy 
 recently, right? that talked about how 
 they see them all the time. So, they're 
 living in this alternate reality, too, 
 where UAP are real and they have to be 
 dealt with somehow, right? You go, well, 
 what's really going to tip that balance? 
 What what's really going to push it over 
 the edge? And it we'd say material 
 evidence in the public that is 
 undeniable. And in the midst of all 
 this, what shows up? 
 Ah, yes. Uh, the the buggas in Colombia. 
 Is that what you're talking about? Yes. 
 The Bugosphere was spotted flying in 
 Colombia. There's multiple shots of 
 video of it flying. And this was first 
 captured on March 2nd on 2025. What is 
 alleged at this point is that the 
 BooGphere ran into a electrical 
 discharge and it fell. The person who 
 recovered the sphere was out there metal 
 detecting. Okay. And he didn't know what 
 to do with it. So he brought it to the 
 company that made his metal detector 
 that was in the area and that company 
 was called the Germany company and they 
 started to analyze the object. They had 
 people who were familiar with 
 engineering and science there and they 
 started to analyze the object and 
 publicize some of the videos. So what 
 they found was that the object had no 
 joints or welds. The composition of the 
 object was mostly aluminum and other 
 natural elements. But there were some 
 very strange things about the 
 composition of the outside that made it 
 odd but also not looking 
 extraterrestrial. And so for anyone who 
 hasn't seen a picture, uh it has been 
 described as being about 8 in in 
 diameter. They're saying roughly the 
 size of a bowling ball, but that's a 
 pretty small bowling ball, huh? Yeah. 
 Yeah, it seems like it, doesn't it? But 
 it also had some strange encryptions on 
 it too, right? Like it looks like a um 
 the pictures I saw it looked like it was 
 a rough sketch of a of a of a circuit. 
 Yeah, it had a rough sketch of a circuit 
 and then there was other things that 
 looked more ancient and sort of 
 hieroglyphic around it. So it it is it 
 matches some of the other strange object 
 that we've seen flying. And then there 
 were scans of the interior of the object 
 done. And the interior has a cavity 
 that's in the shape of like a mushroom 
 cloud. 
 And according to one of the scientists 
 study, if you spun the object around 
 fast enough and with that interior, 
 there would be an effect that could be 
 produced that would cause the object to 
 levitate, but you wouldn't be able to 
 steer it. H. Okay. And that's pretty 
 interesting because we were just talking 
 about how we thought the Nazis actually 
 did this and that it was some type of 
 electromagnetic lift, but they couldn't 
 steer it. So then you have people like 
 Jake Barber and Sky Watchers who we'll 
 talk about today, too, and they're 
 they're talking about the psychic 
 connection. And there's a lot of other 
 people who would say that these things 
 are controlled somehow telepathically. 
 Okay, they were pouring water over it. 
 And that's one of those tests that this 
 Germany company did that proved that 
 there was no joints or welds. So, it 
 would have had to have been molded. The 
 interior would have been made first and 
 then it would have been molded. So, 
 could it have been faked? Yes, it's 
 possible. And we need more data to come 
 forward and it's being studied further. 
 That company, the Germany company, 
 obviously it was a little suspicious 
 because they were the ones with it. They 
 were advertising their company and 
 everyone's going to their company 
 website. No, they're they're they're 
 using their instruments to test it, 
 which is cool, but at the same time, it 
 was a little suspicious. So, okay. Yeah. 
 The CEO of that company wisely handed 
 off the object to Haime Masan, who has 
 also been taking charge of a lot of the 
 Naza mummy investigation and involved in 
 a lot of that, too. 
 Interesting. So, Misan is well known 
 throughout Latin America as a UFO 
 researcher. He's been right and wrong in 
 the past, you know, and that's going to 
 happen. But he was the one who brought 
 it all in uh in front of the Mexican 
 Congress, right? I mean, he took the 
 chance and he was taken seriously. He 
 was taken seriously and he brought a 
 case against Peru recently against the 
 Ministry of Culture for like $200 
 million. Oh, he lost the case. It was 
 dismissed. Okay. Yeah. But he gave it a 
 shot and that just happened. So, but he 
 he's out there and he's he's making 
 noise and he's doing the right things. 
 Again, you're looking at a politician. 
 You know, he's going to get things right 
 or wrong. Like, we're looking at these 
 people like Alzando and Nolan and 
 Put, you know, what are they telling? 
 Are they telling us the bottom line 
 truth? And no, they never are. They're 
 still in touch with the government. They 
 still have to watch their butts, right? 
 Are they playing some sort of game on 
 our behalf? It's up for everyone to 
 decide, you know. I say we take their 
 information for whatever it is. We 
 validate what we can and then we move 
 on. Right. It's just Yeah. You just you 
 got a lot of influencers, you got 
 politicians, you know, and then in the 
 middle are are the the actual 
 experiencers, you know, and they're 
 they're they're the ones that that have 
 to like really feel the struggle and 
 really feel the too. I mean, 
 it's just right. I don't know. It's it 
 st it just stinks that they that all 
 that information has to come out in the 
 way it does because there are people 
 with real experiences that want real 
 answers to it. Yeah. Talk about someone 
 who's living in a UFO reality. I mean, 
 abductees, contacties. Yeah. 
 Experiencers. These are people who can't 
 deny the UFO reality and want and need 
 answers. Right. So Misan is connected to 
 a bunch of scientists down there in 
 Latin America and he's able to get it 
 into people's hands. So what's happening 
 with this is a kind of a good overlap 
 here is because what's happening with 
 the Boogasphere is the same thing that's 
 happening with the Naza mummies is man's 
 getting it in the hands of scientists 
 and experts. They're doing reviews and 
 then they're publishing the data and 
 then people in especially in the United 
 States are coming back and saying this 
 is all lies. This is not those are 
 aren't real. This is fake humans. this 
 is all fake without ever going there and 
 looking at the actual bodies. And then 
 there's this demand that the bodies be 
 brought here for some sort of real 
 validation into the center of the UFO 
 cover up and brought to the University 
 of Tennessee. Is that going to prove it 
 to anyone? Absolutely not. And it puts 
 it into the place where things are 
 disappearing the most, right? Why would 
 all these other countries who have all 
 these other universities and access to 
 the same data and science and brain 
 power we do, right, trust us? And why 
 are we the proof capital of the world? 
 We're not. We're not. No, it's absolute 
 nonsense. So, if people want to say it's 
 not proven, great. Go down there and do 
 some analysis of the bodies because what 
 came back recently were scans of the 
 eggs on the interior of those bodies. 
 And there was capillaries connected to 
 the eggs within the bodies. Yeah. 
 Amazing. That ruled out fake. And the 
 bodies were dated finally to 
 1,750 years ago. So if the bodies were 
 faked, someone either had to make a fake 
 that would withstand that type of 
 scrutiny. And we can't say that that's 
 impossible at this point, but it just 
 becomes less and less possible as time 
 goes on. So, the critics are saying 
 either they're human and that somehow 
 somebody stuck eggs in there or which 
 means that they're mutilated humans or 
 that they're non-human. The DNA scans 
 that have come back are showing a 
 greater than 50% chance that they are 
 not human, right? But greater than 50% 
 doesn't mean 100%. So, a lot more study 
 has to be done. But these things are far 
 from disproven. They've only gotten 
 closer to being perceived as inevitable 
 because there's never going to be a time 
 when they're considered proven. Right. 
 Right. Pretty much. And while they've 
 been studying these specimens, they've 
 been coming up with more specimens. 
 There's now like a hundred of these that 
 they need to 
 study. So, this is far from over and 
 it's only gotten bigger. Here's one 
 potential red flag in this case, which 
 is the original video. So, these Naza 
 mummies were said to have been found by 
 Tomb Raiders, right? And the Tomb 
 Raiders are still involved, right? And 
 they're still producing these things. 
 And they say that they've sold some of 
 the things that you see in the video on 
 the black market, so they're not 
 available. These things were in 
 headdresses and things like that. They 
 say that they've been sold. They say 
 that they've sold some of the specimens 
 to private collectors on the black 
 market. So, those are gone. And then in 
 the original video, they showed beings, 
 even a mantis being, and what looked 
 like beings that were alive and that 
 they had some sort of altercation with 
 them. Okay. Yeah, I I faintly remember 
 that. Yeah, remember that? That's a 
 little sketchy. Maybe they faked the 
 video but found the bodies. It's also 
 possible. Maybe the video is real. That 
 That would be the the craziest one, like 
 if the bodies are proven. But then these 
 guys would know where these live beings 
 are, right? So, that part of the story 
 gets really sketchy. Yeah, it does. So, 
 we're left to wait and we'll see what 
 develops. But so far, it it's it's 
 easier to accept than to deny the fact 
 that it's something nonhuman. Yeah, the 
 implants are very strange. If the bodies 
 are that old and have osmium implants, 
 either they are not human or something 
 else was going on there that was wildly 
 anomalous and not human as we know it. 
 Like maybe they might be human, but 
 something else was going on there that 
 wildly different. Yeah. 
 [Music] 
 So we have to talk about the immaculate. 
 constellation whistleblower Matthew 
 Brown. There was a three-part series on 
 YouTube. Jeremy Corbel and George Knapp 
 did an interview and that was the that 
 was basically the name of the top secret 
 file, Immaculate Constellation. Right. 
 Right. So that was entered into 
 congressional record months ago during 
 the trial where Michael Shelonburgger 
 was the journalist who entered it in and 
 Jeremy Corbel was also the one who 
 brought this document forward and he was 
 in touch with the whistleblower and so 
 Nap and Corbel did a three-hour 
 interview with Matthew Brown on their 
 weaponized podcast and there was a lot 
 said it was pretty interesting but the 
 document that made Matthew Brown such 
 uch an important whistleblower was this 
 immaculate constellation document. And 
 the immaculate constellation actually 
 referred to a database that Matthew 
 Brown, okay, encountered during his time 
 as an analyst, right, in the Pentagon. 
 And this database was filled with UAP 
 information. And what's important about 
 it is that it was not connected to any 
 other database. So when many other 
 people including people like Edward 
 Snowden say, you know, I had access to 
 all this stuff and I never saw the UAP 
 or Elon Musk even said that recently and 
 it's like you wouldn't because it's on a 
 completely separate database and it's 
 called Immaculate Constellation, right? 
 And Matthew Brown found it, right? And 
 he goes through the whole story on that 
 podcast of how he encountered it and 
 what happened when they found out that 
 he encountered it. And he gets into a 
 lot about how he's feeling in danger for 
 his life for what he's been saying. 
 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you could you could 
 genuinely see the fear in him. I mean, 
 he's he's concerned for sure. And what 
 makes him a whistleblower on a whole 
 other level is that he's talking about 
 all this stuff without any sort of 
 authority, right? So when he enters it 
 into congressional record, he's relying 
 on Congress to keep him safe, right, 
 from all of the powers that be. And 
 that's pretty risky because Congress 
 doesn't even have the ability to go on 
 to these bases and go view this UAP 
 material. So he's relying on them to for 
 his security, right? I mean, one of the 
 early points, too, is that the fact that 
 he saw Alzando in the Shrivever file. It 
 had a picture of him. It was a 2018 war 
 game brief. It had a had a actual 
 picture of Alzando. And in the same 
 brief, it had a picture of a Russian 
 Navy ship with a giant black triangle 
 over it. Right. Then that was wild 
 because as he mentioned, whatever was 
 taking that video was already there. So 
 they knew they were already observing 
 the Russians. And then and those were he 
 he made the point that they were 
 intelligence vessels. They were not 
 military vessels. That's pretty 
 interesting, too. But back to the point 
 of whether or not we can trust what he's 
 saying and the risks that we see here. 
 He entered that into the congressional 
 record. He's talking to Congress. He's 
 saying this stuff, which means if he's 
 lying, he can go to jail, right? Same 
 thing with David Grush. If he's lying, 
 they can go to jail. That's perjury. And 
 I can't imagine that these Congress 
 people would look kindly on someone 
 wasting their time with Right. Right. 
 Yeah, we that that you know that's a 
 great point. We always have to remind 
 people that they are going in front of 
 Cong Congress, you know, swearing an 
 oath. You lie, you're in big trouble. 
 And they entered that document, the 
 immaculate constellation document into 
 the congressional record. Yeah. That's a 
 legal that's as legal as it gets, right? 
 So you go to jail if you're if you're 
 playing that sort of game. So if Matthew 
 Brown is a disinformation or 
 misinformation agent, he's not doing 
 playing a very very dangerous game. this 
 is not the type of games that these 
 people play. So, it doesn't look like 
 that to us, period. So, one of the 
 things that he mentioned on there that 
 we've talked about heavily is that we 
 live in a controlled reality. And I like 
 the way that he put it that way. He did 
 get into the simulation thing, and we'll 
 get into that, too. Yeah, but I like 
 saying controlled reality over 
 simulation because it gets into the idea 
 that even if this is a Truman show type 
 simulation where it's physical and our 
 reality is being controlled through 
 control over our history and our 
 information and our science, that's 
 still a type of a simulation. Right. 
 Right. When he says it's a simulation, 
 we're saying it's a simulation. There's 
 a lot of different ways that could break 
 out and you can go as deep as you want 
 to go into the UAP research and its 
 connection to reality and and and how 
 deep that control goes, right? But you 
 can go into our hacking UFO episodes and 
 our followup, the consciousness episode 
 afterwards. Those are good places to 
 lose your mind. So, but Brown really 
 went into how public perceptions are 
 managed around UAP issues. And this is 
 why disclosure is not imminent in this 
 way. And we talked about why Lou and 
 those people have to play it that way, 
 but this is the grown-up show and we're 
 not, you know, we can understand that 
 that's part of politic. It's not 
 imminent unless the Trump administration 
 wants it to be, right? And there's no 
 indication that they want it to be. 
 Nope. No one wants to be the disclosure 
 president. It's just the way it is. And 
 if No. And if their disclosures around 
 JFK and Epstein were any 
 indication, they're just going to tell 
 us stuff we already know and pretend 
 like it's new. Right. 
 Yep. And say, "Oh, look, campaign 
 promise fulfilled." Right. Right. And 
 Brown discussed the types of visual 
 evidence that were conducted. 
 Yeah. And so, you know, the visual 
 evidence was was really big that uh 
 Brown disclosed. He said orbs were 
 basically the the prevalent UAP in the 
 military where there there's just orbs 
 everywhere. Of course, the triangles, 
 there's two different sizes of triangles 
 and uh having that visual evidence of 
 them being near Russian ships that look 
 like it was uh it was, you know, they 
 had four knowledge of this triangle 
 being there. It's stuff we've heard 
 before, but it it's, you know, it's 
 coming straight out of files that he's 
 seen with his own eyes. Yeah. And uh and 
 again, yeah, this solidifies something 
 we've seen in our own independent 
 research and something we've been trying 
 to understand is that you have UAP that 
 are orbs and appear to be plasmoid. 
 That's the way the condine report would 
 have phrased it. Yeah. But they also 
 appear to be moving intelligently at 
 times. And then you have structured 
 craft. So, it's very difficult to parse 
 those out. But those are two features of 
 the phenomenon. We don't have to figure 
 out how they're connected, right? We 
 just call them out as features at this 
 point. Your connections will make sense 
 over time. Personally, I was hoping for 
 a cube and a transparent sphere cuz I 
 I'll never forget I I keep that's the 
 best UAP in my mind. Haven't heard You 
 are back. You're back to your cube in 
 the sphere again. I want it to come 
 back. Show me the cubes. 
 I'm I'm gonna get you a cube and a 
 sphere for Christmas. 
 But that was one of them. It's just But 
 we hear about spheres more is the point. 
 And and they're everywhere and they're 
 just becoming desensitized by it. Yeah. 
 You know that actually you bring up a 
 good point because the cube was in a 
 sphere. So if something is inside of a 
 sphere and it's glowing, everything 
 looks like a sphere, right? Yeah. True. 
 And that sphere in that case looks like 
 glass, right? So we're 99% sure that 
 that means that there's a vacuum around 
 the object. It's producing a vacuum 
 around the object. So any object that 
 was floating with a sphere around it 
 that was illuminated would look like an 
 orb too, right? But these orbs tend to 
 be small like not objects like very 
 small too. So difficult interesting 
 possible scenario there, right? and 
 Brown really focused on how secrecy and 
 disclosure were working. And when we 
 talk about these things, for our newer 
 listeners, because we've been growing a 
 lot lately, y'all should go back and 
 listen to how we got here. Yeah. But 
 when we talk about secrecy and 
 disclosure, we're really talking about 
 the disclosure movement. And there's UFO 
 research like what we were just doing in 
 the World War II stuff. And then there's 
 this, which is the disclosure movement. 
 And I would really encourage the 
 audience to look at those things as two 
 different things, right? Don't expect to 
 learn more about the UFO phenomenon from 
 Loose Clues or Gary's Berries or 
 whatever social media post is coming. I 
 just made up Gary's Berries right now. 
 That's not bad. I like that. Yeah. And 
 like I said, it's not because we don't 
 like those guys, but you we understand 
 the game that they're playing and we'll 
 take what we can get from it. Yeah. And 
 I mean, I guess now that we're even 
 talking about it, I mean, that that 
 three-part series did kind of annoy me 
 because there was a lot a lot of talk 
 without really saying much. But I I 
 understand that they're tiptoeing a 
 really, you know, a dangerous line 
 really. And and they could tell that 
 that Brown has some real fears. You 
 know, I guess I should cut him some 
 slack. I just I don't like the the 
 obvious, you know, push to throw an 
 Fbomb once in a while because you got to 
 be a you know, you got to be, you know, 
 a bro about it. I can't stand that 
 stuff. But but yeah, there's just some 
 genuine fears there. There's a lot of 
 broism in eupfology. 
 There's way too much broism in 
 eupfology. And you know, it all tracks 
 back to it's just like martial arts, 
 right? There's way too much martial arts 
 and eupfology. I I'm I'm so annoyed 
 because I can never talk about martial 
 arts or use martial arts and I won't 
 even talk about my own life in martial 
 arts because it's just way too much in 
 in eupfology. Like when Jake Barber 
 comes out, we should talk about 
 Skywatchers, too. But when Jake Barber 
 comes out, he has to come out and talk 
 all about his jiu-jitsu background. Like 
 how how is this coming up again? 
 I don't know why it always has to be 
 there. I don't get it. 
 Are we going to have a karate fight with 
 the aliens? Is that where this is all 
 going? And it's all I know. I've figured 
 out why as I have to do, right? It's 
 it's Rogan, man. It's it's Rogan. Like 
 Rogan is the start of podcasting 
 essentially. And he's also a huge UFO 
 buff. And we actually have to thank him 
 for that both. Like if there was no Joe 
 Rogan into UFOs and podcasting didn't 
 take off like it did, I don't know that 
 we'd be in the same place. So along with 
 all the other people like that like Lou 
 and Gary and all those other like that 
 that media does serve a huge purpose and 
 it is raising awareness and but don't 
 expect the answers to come from there, 
 right? The answers will come from either 
 research or experience that we're sure 
 of. Right. Right. And speaking of 
 research, Brown said some things at the 
 end which were huge shoe drops that made 
 everyone go, "Wait, wait, what?" And 
 those that's when it got good right at 
 the end. He said, you know, at the end 
 when Corbell says, "Oh, is there 
 anything you would want people to know 
 if this is the last time you're going to 
 talk to the public?" And it was God is 
 real. You live in a controlled reality. 
 And he also said that there's still time 
 to make for a better future even though 
 it's not the one we have planned. But we 
 really don't want the one that they are 
 planning for us. And they be all things 
 who who is they in that in that 
 scenario. Well, the they in that 
 scenario would be the powers that be who 
 are aware of this UFO phenomenon 
 intimately and intimately involved in 
 it. And then I would guess this is just 
 me guessing that that would involve some 
 faction of the NHI as well. H of course 
 this is goes back to the fact that Grush 
 said there have been agreements right 
 agreements were made. So if those things 
 are true then yes there is those people 
 who are intimately familiar with and 
 interacting with this 
 phenomenon and the phenomenon itself who 
 has its own plans and then there's us 
 right you and me and accordion some hats 
 we do the dance they give us the no not 
 just us I mean the rest of us in the 
 public and Brown kind of closed that out 
 by saying if there are whistleblowers 
 followers out there, now is the time. He 
 made it sound like something was 
 imminent. He also made it sound like the 
 government was imminently going to lie 
 to 
 us and something Corbell's been saying 
 too, that they're going to be saying 
 that there's an alien invasion coming, 
 right? And then to further that, there 
 were some podcasters in the public, some 
 pretty big ones, who've been saying that 
 the government reached out to them to 
 try to get them to further that line. 
 and they would do the thing where they 
 try to create assets or agents depending 
 on we can get into the difference there. 
 I think that's really important for the 
 public to understand that they were 
 saying that they had reached out to them 
 to try to get them to push that lie. 
 Right. Did you get an email? I didn't. I 
 did not get one either. 
 I cannot believe you guys didn't invite 
 us to your disinformation party. Yeah. 
 Right. Right. Look, just drop us a drop 
 us a note, you know, 
 romx@14wwinds.com and leave us your 
 return address. Yeah. Right. Right. 
 Yeah. I mean, all they got to do is drop 
 us a line, get, you know, give us maybe 
 their their home address, their their 
 their hopes and dreams. You know 
 what? We'll get right back to you. which 
 actually that gets into something I 
 wanted to talk about here was asset and 
 agent because there's been a number of 
 things have come out about a number of 
 people that we've talked about and I'm 
 like I don't even have want to review 
 all of them but people like Tom Dong 
 there's been things said about and Jimmy 
 Church did an investigation where he's 
 like this to the stars organization that 
 he's uh heading is a CIA front and we've 
 always said Tom is an asset. Like even 
 by his own admission and people like 
 Diana Pulka who are very smart who's 
 like are like they're trying to use me 
 as an asset. She's at least self-aware 
 of it. Tom does not seem to be aware of 
 that. Like no offense to him and maybe 
 he is. But let's talk about the 
 difference between an asset and an agent 
 because I hear this thrown around a lot 
 in politics too. They're like this guy's 
 an asset. He's an agent. Anyway, so what 
 an asset is is someone who does not know 
 for whom they work or what they're 
 trying to do, right? They're just doing 
 it. And then the intelligence person 
 will push behind them. Okay? So maybe 
 they provide resources, maybe they pro 
 provide support, maybe they have an 
 audience that they send and go like and 
 engage with this person's stuff because 
 it's what we want to say. Russian 
 intelligence is the master of all of 
 this stuff, right? like they're doing 
 this all the time. They and if they're 
 like this person has a pro-Russian 
 narrative like ah you know give them 
 some funding, give them this happens all 
 the time, right? So that's how assets 
 work. They don't know who they work for. 
 And so that's what makes them the 
 perfect resource even maybe better than 
 an agent because you don't have to pay 
 them. They can't track it back to you. 
 They don't know it was you. Yeah. Right. 
 You're doing something illegal. you're 
 getting them to to do something illegal 
 and they no one can ever track it back 
 to you because they didn't never know it 
 was you that they were working for. 
 That's what makes them an asset. And 
 then an agent is someone who knows their 
 mission. They know that they're working 
 for it. So even if someone's getting 
 blackmailed and they're like, "Hey, 
 we've got these pictures of you and you 
 have to do this and push this." You 
 know, even if even if it's someone who 
 knows that they're doing it for you for 
 that reason, they're an agent. they can 
 it can be tracked back to you, right? 
 So, that's super important when it comes 
 to the UFO topic, right? It ends up 
 being a lot of people out there that are 
 assets that are saying something that 
 these gatekeepers want them to say. And 
 maybe it is something UFO related, but 
 it obiscates the truth. Like these 
 people trying to disabuse abductions and 
 trying to make them into nothing. Like, 
 that's not true. We have a ton of 
 information about it. Anyone saying that 
 is trying to cover it up. Yes. You know, 
 speaking of misinformation, what you got 
 to talk about Greer a little bit, right? 
 Oh. Oh. The lizard man himself. Okay. 
 Yes. Okay. What you This is This is so 
 much. What's he talking about? He's 
 talking about like he has a he knows a 
 physicist that can basically that has a 
 that has a device where he can travel to 
 different dimensions, right? Mhm. Yeah. 
 The tooidal. He says he's got a that 
 he's he's transported creatures into his 
 lab to talk to them. Yeah, that's right. 
 I want to I want to know more. And of 
 course, he's been bribed. He's been 
 given a he's denied a $2 billion bribe 
 to stop doing what he's doing. Two 
 billion. Two billion. He could be a 
 billionaire right now if he wasn't on TV 
 bugging his eyes out about about how he 
 knows everything, you know? It's just 
 okay. It's amazing. There there's 
 there's so much there. I don't know. So, 
 he says all abductions are done by the 
 government. That's what the one that 
 really gets me. That's the one that 
 pisses me off. Or like the or the um 
 mutilations, the the cattle mutilations 
 are all staged, right? Yes. 
 They're all stage and like the ones 
 where the guy is like it happened in a 
 half an hour and there's missing time. 
 Can the government afford a cattle 
 ranch? Right. 
 I do think that they were doing some 
 experimentation. Colin Culler thinks 
 that they were doing some 
 experimentation during Mad Cow and that 
 they've been looking at cows that we eat 
 just to see what we're eating. And maybe 
 there's something with that, but not the 
 anomalous ones that have radiation. Why 
 would they be using advanced UFO 
 reproduction vehicles to do cattle 
 mutilations? Right. Right. Right. Maybe 
 or maybe not. We used to tip cows 
 without any UFO needs. Yeah. It it's 
 kind of a strange scenario because you 
 know the the the phenomenon is getting 
 more active basically. there more people 
 talking about it and then he finds 
 himself being more irrelevant at the 
 same time which is you know doesn't seem 
 so he keeps ramping up the story we're 
 seeing this this all over UFO media 
 because that's not UFO research actual 
 UFO research boils down to a few hundred 
 people globally. Right. Right. Right. 
 But according to Greer, one in five 
 people worldwide has seen his uh have 
 seen his fil. You got a source on all 
 this? Yeah. Yeah, there's a source. I 
 mean, there's a there's a a Reddit post 
 that's awesome. It just bullet points 
 everything. I mean, it's it's very 
 clear-cut. I It's really kind of nice. 
 It's it's it's kind of funny to to see 
 it all kind of in one page because it 
 really does show the ridiculousness of 
 video of him saying stuff. That's great. 
 Him in his own words. I love it when we 
 can talk about these people in their own 
 words or show you clips of them saying 
 it in their own words. It's not me 
 saying it. Every time I have these 
 career conversations, someone's like, 
 "How do you know? How do you know?" 
 Like, "He said it because he said it. 
 That's how and that's UFO media, right? 
 That's UFO media." And and that's what 
 we're end up talking about when we talk 
 about current events. And that's what 
 people really want to hear about. And 
 that's okay. we we'll give you our POV, 
 but that's UFO media, like the UFO 
 research, like what's going on in the 
 Hesselon, Norway, those are UAP that are 
 being studied all the time. Right. 
 Right. Some of these contact 
 experiencers are being studied all the 
 time, 24/7. So, you want to know about 
 UFOs, like that's the stuff really. And 
 what Jake Barber's been doing with Sky 
 Watchers, I think that that's super 
 informative and more people should be 
 watching that. I just looked at it 
 before we started this to make this 
 point and the first Skywatchers episode 
 had 600,000 views and the second one had 
 about 400,000 views. So these guys went 
 out with remote viewers, filmed it all. 
 The production value is beautiful. They 
 had Gary Nolan as their scientific 
 adviser on the set. They had the guy 
 from Salt doing the hosting and the 
 production value is beautiful. So you 
 couldn't ask for better. They're driving 
 their G.I. Joe, super cool UFO hunting 
 vehicles around. Who's funding them? I 
 would love to know. That's interesting. 
 They're driving around doing this and 
 they're shooting this really cool stuff 
 and they film UFOs on camera. They have 
 videos of them. They have multi-ensor 
 instrumentation that are measuring all 
 sorts of things. And so they're doing 
 all of the things that we say we want 
 and that are necessary to prove the UFO 
 phenomenon. And they've had less than 
 700,000 people watch the first episode. 
 Yeah. To that point, if Greer comes out 
 and says the apocalypse is now, and the 
 aliens just told me the secret that will 
 allow you to survive the apocalypse with 
 superpowers, he's going to get 2 million 
 hits. Right. Right. So, if you're 
 looking for disclosure and you want to 
 take the easy route, you're just going 
 to get a string of those. You're going 
 to get years and years and years of 
 Greer, right, telling you the same thing 
 over and over and over. The apocalypse 
 is now, the aliens are bros, etc. It's 
 basically a new UFO religion. Yeah. And 
 there's a bunch of these running around 
 that are just trying to turn eupfology 
 into a religion. And then you click 
 replace angels with aliens, right? Yeah. 
 And you, you know, make sure to click on 
 that banner for your um, you know, 
 apocalyptic uh, food buckets that you 
 can buy. But if you want to see some 
 good material and you want to learn more 
 about the UFO phenomenon, take the time 
 to watch one hour of those two episodes 
 on Sky Watchers. I think they did a 
 really good job. And there's a play 
 there, right? They're also getting into 
 the media game, the UFO media game. So, 
 they want to make us do something, too. 
 behind it, right? And it's up to you to 
 determine whether you think that's right 
 or wrong, but it looks to me like it's 
 earnest. Mhm. One other person we've 
 talked a lot about that there's been 
 some recent developments with is Chris 
 Bledsoe and he went on the Shawn Ryan 
 podcast. You may not have seen this, but 
 he said something is coming next Easter 
 and so April of 
 2026. and he was saying that this is 
 going to be a major event and in some 
 way he related back to Jesus's coming 
 back. Okay. So yeah, he's a you know 
 he's a a deeply religious man uh who has 
 produced some results in in the same 
 sense that uh you know Yahweh produced 
 results, right? Didn't he produce pro 
 prophet Yahweh? Prophet Yahweh. Yeah. I 
 just call him I just call, you know, I 
 just call him Yahweh. He's he's legit, 
 but he's also very deeply religious. I 
 don't know how much dogma um is in is in 
 his thinking, but and there's a huge 
 Christian overlay in the audience. So, 
 is he trying to not be isolated, you 
 know, by saying this is some other 
 being? because he's also said that it 
 appeared as a bull and he's talking 
 about the lady and how this is all 
 interrelated and so it ends up being a 
 blend of all sorts of religious ideas 
 and UFOs with Chris and that is 
 prophecy. He's engaging in prophecy. So 
 seems like a nice guy. Wish him well. 
 But you're either going to be right or 
 wrong when you do that. Right. Right. 
 And the history with this phenomenon on 
 when it set people up to be profits is 
 not good. It's not. No. So the track 
 record is not good. You could be the 
 good one. I don't know. But I guess 
 we'll find out in April of 2026. Ke 
 certainly thought that things like this 
 happened during his time and that it was 
 a setup that the phenomenon would pull 
 the rug out from the person at the end. 
 Right. I can't, you know, I can't 
 predict the future, but we're 14th, so 
 we just call out the uh history, 
 right? So, yeah, you know, that was a 
 good recap, a rapid fire recap of 
 current events. I mean, we we have to 
 talk about it. So, we have episodes 
 where we dive really deep and we have 
 episodes where we just have to kind of 
 sum stuff up. And I think I think that 
 was perfect. Oh, yeah. And please check 
 out our YouTube and Tik Tok channels. 
 We've been putting up a lot of cool 
 shorts and trying to engage there. You 
 know, full disclosure, that's where we 
 would like to monetize and maybe keep 
 this podcast as adree as we can for as 
 long as we can. Um, we love this show. 
 You know, thanks. Thank you to all of 
 our listeners and uh um you know, always 
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 wins. Are you saying 14 wins? Yeah. 
 Yeah, I know. I should probably spell 
 that out. Fortian as in Charles Fort. 
 Ean. Everyone said that. I don't know. 
 If I could go back in time, maybe I 
 would have just named this Gort. Gort. 
 Yeah. Gort. Gort with a G. Welcome to 
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