Episode 5 - UFO Hearings and Government Games

We discuss the two UFO hearings to date and discuss the lack of transparency around the topic.  While these hearings are historic and a great step in the right direction, those of us familiar with the topic are aware they are hiding a whole lot.  We think they understand the basics of the UFO phenomenon as well as we do.  

Transcript

in April of 2023 the second in a 
 historic series of UFO hearings occurred 
 on the floor of Congress Dr Shan 
 Kirkpatrick representing the all doain 
 anomaly resolution office or Arrow gave 
 an update on the progress this newly 
 formed office has made thus far while 
 the amount of cases the office is 
 investigating grew significantly from 
 510 to 650 cases Dr Kirkpatrick claimed 
 their efforts to resolve these sightings 
 have been hampered by a lack of data and 
 although many cases remain unresolved Dr 
 Patrick made the claim there was no 
 conclusive evidence of Otherworldly 
 technology among the cases arrow is 
 investigating join us as we 
 discuss hey everyone welcome to the 14 
 wins podcast this is bones and uh we 
 have r x here with us of course hey 
 everyone uh that was a great intro uh we 
 are going to get into uh the change of 
 view from the federal government on the 
 topic of 
 uaps and the the hearings uh they've had 
 and uh the ones they plan to have very 
 soon right yeah this next one should be 
 really cool that what the talk is now is 
 that they're going to have pilots and 
 experiencers and people on the floor 
 who' come in close contact with these 
 things and they're going to not have the 
 Department of Defense in the room and 
 ah and that's important that's important 
 because the public if that all happens 
 the public this summer will be here 
 hearing firsthand on the floor of 
 Congress from people who come into had a 
 close encounter right and it's basically 
 like so they can speak more freely and 
 not have a presence there that you know 
 they might see as their Superior yeah 
 and can Stomp Them Down anything they 
 say so yeah it's it's big there's a it's 
 a huge change uh what's the the timeline 
 is is crazy because they had that uh 
 hearing Congressional hearing uh just um 
 in May of uh 2022 and then that was like 
 uh was it 50 years since the last one 
 which was 1970 right so so things are 
 changing fast things are changing fast 
 and what I think we would most like to 
 tell you is that these UFO hearings are 
 somewhat performative so there everyone 
 in that room including the department 
 defense and most of Congress some of 
 them who've taken an interest and then 
 some of them have just been shown 
 information there's been disclosures to 
 to Congress already so the the gang of 
 eight is a is a intelligence uh 
 Committee in in the in Congress and they 
 are the ones who pretty much get to see 
 everything and they they have to make 
 some really big decisions about our 
 defense and the gang of eight has 
 already said that they have 
 seen lots and lots of 
 footage oh okay wow and they said that 
 the footage that they've seen made them 
 believe that this was not human so 
 they've already seen that and then there 
 were have been other members of Congress 
 who said this representative Tim bersett 
 said that he he had seen this Matt Gates 
 had said he he had seen this so there 
 have been other members of Congress who 
 have also seen the 
 video and there's a lot of talk about 
 video in in this world and I'm like I do 
 not understand it someone has to explain 
 to me why more video is really going to 
 help but it will 
 right some I I just don't understand the 
 societal mechanism here but it will like 
 people want more video the reason I 
 don't really understand it at all is 
 that there are hours of good footage in 
 the public there are hours of footage 
 where investigators have gone and talked 
 to the witnesses had had the the video 
 reviewed by forensic video analysts and 
 it holds up and you see an orb flying 
 around just like Dr Shan Kirk Patrick 
 showed you at that at that UFO hearing 
 what does it tell you yeah it it tells 
 you we don't 
 understand about 99% of what's going on 
 basically 
 right and they're acting like they're 
 hearing it for the first time or this 
 conversation is happening for the first 
 time and as you just pointed out the 
 last UFO hearing was 50 years ago right 
 they haven't once mentioned Project Blue 
 Book right that was their project and I 
 so this this is really important to 
 understanding all this because these UFO 
 hearings we're going to talk about like 
 what's happening with the government and 
 and this this what's what's really 
 happening and let me just cut through it 
 and give you the quick summary is that 
 they have crafts and bodies they have 
 material evidence okay 
 the dod knows that Department of Defense 
 knows that the CIA knows that there 
 there there there's parts of them right 
 parts of the FAA know this okay but the 
 cons you can't keep a conspiracy like 
 this hidden even as well as they have I 
 would say there's plenty of evidence out 
 there but as well as they have and they 
 have done pretty bang up job of keeping 
 this at least out of our level of belief 
 and and you can't do that but it's a 
 very small group of people that have 
 this 
 information that information is now more 
 widely known throughout the government 
 NASA just did a press conference you 
 know and I don't know when this will air 
 but to us that was two days ago so NASA 
 just did did a press conference about 
 UFOs one of the first things that they 
 said was 95% of UFO sightings are 
 misidentifications great oh okay here's 
 my problem with that cuz Kirk Patrick 
 said the same thing number one that's 
 true number two they're no longer 
 UFOs right 
 exactly good point you identifi them 
 take them off the freaking 
 list therefore the percentage that I'm 
 talking about is the 100% of a 
 unidentified sure that's we're talking 
 we've always been asking about and if 
 you want to 
 make this ridiculous statement of 95% of 
 UFO uh Mis sightings or 
 misidentifications then great the 
 follow-up question is what is the 
 freaking 5% genius that's what we've all 
 been asking that's all we're talking 
 about here like right and 14 wins like 
 we're we're not we don't have to hide it 
 we don't have to pretend like oh you 
 know what I'm really doing is studying 
 some sort of white anomalous nature 
 object that no dude what we're talking 
 about is intelligently moving craft you 
 know that have been seen for over a 
 hundred years like that's what we're 
 talking about right and the fact that we 
 have to keep telling them that is is 
 ridiculous right it's part of the 
 misidentification and part of the 
 gaslighting they're they're well aware 
 what we're asking and they're well aware 
 what we're talking about and you could 
 see that some people people in Congress 
 like Senator Gilder brand were 
 frustrated she was frustrated by that 
 hearing because she knows everything 
 that we've been talking about right they 
 know ev Everything on 14 wins the name 
 that they call us now is uh for people 
 like you and I is open source 
 analysts okay it's a much better name 
 than what they used to call us right 
 right sure I won't say what those names 
 are but uh open source analysts I like 
 let's call us that we deal with publicly 
 available information if we think we 
 find something that shouldn't be public 
 or isn't public like and we we don't 
 certainly don't go looking in anywh we 
 shouldn't but you know if that if that 
 ever shows up you know maybe we see it 
 on social media we would rather find a 
 public source to to corroborate it right 
 that we can share with you because just 
 like we talked on the the last show 
 about conmen it's really about the 
 evidence and your theory can be the 
 theory I want to hear it but it's got to 
 be based on evidence for anything right 
 for it to be based on anything I mean so 
 you're always going to have the 
 naysayers um but you know you could you 
 could tell that things are changing 
 because they they had you talked about 
 the conman you talked about people who 
 were in cahoots with the CIA just to to 
 the Muddy Waters to muddy the waters you 
 know uh spread confusion on the topic 
 but but that last hearing 
 uh they from what I remember they based 
 they had that hearing because there were 
 over a hundred sightings in just the 
 previous year and so it's it's it's 
 they're getting overwhelmed maybe 
 they're just the confusion is getting so 
 high they're like okay we have to talk 
 about this publicly because everyone's 
 confused and and we just don't know what 
 it is so yeah that's it what what this 
 is one of those things good lead in 
 because this is I'm going to I'm going 
 to tell you based on the 
 evidence I think that this is true a 
 number of people have said this 
 including the whistleblowers like Lou 
 alzando and Chris Bellon have said that 
 there's they're on one side of this 
 fight and there is another side in the 
 government that wants to keep this 
 secret so okay just like we've been 
 talking about information 
 analysis I have been doing some of this 
 information analysis with my uncle who's 
 very interested in what's going on in 
 the uh Ukraine war and I I said okay 
 like let's take a look at your 
 information and let's see how it plays 
 out unfortunately we can't do anything 
 but sit here but see how it plays out if 
 your information is correct we we would 
 expect it to play out this way if your 
 information is incorrect we would expect 
 it to play out this way we can test it 
 sure and we did that right and and I 
 think what we found out is Russian 
 propaganda is lying um yeah surprise 
 surprise so so you know that that but it 
 was a good exercise right and we can do 
 the same thing here what we can do is 
 say are Chris melon and Lou alzando 
 telling the truth is there one faction 
 in the government that's pushing for 
 disclosure and anothers it's not based 
 on all of the evidence what they're 
 saying is 
 true I would say that there is clearly 
 one faction that is trying to stuff this 
 back into the bottle and one faction 
 that's trying to bring it out and we're 
 watching that happen during these UFO 
 hearings H so that's the 
 performative that's the performative 
 aspect of it and who holds the keys to 
 that information so if everyone if 
 everyone knows it and half of them want 
 to tell us the other half don't who gets 
 to decide right right right that's very 
 important because when it comes to the 
 Department of Defense it's Congress that 
 that ultimately has oversight through 
 what they call the power of the purse 
 Congress decides on 
 the department of defense's budget so 
 when they want to this is why Department 
 of Defense kind of has to play ball with 
 Congress and the Congress has leverage 
 here because at some point they could 
 say hey we're going to pull your funding 
 unless you tell us that's why they've 
 already come clean about a lot of the 
 stuff with Congress now okay they're 
 saying well we don't want to tell 
 everybody everything there's another 
 group here that really is holding I 
 think again this is this is my analysis 
 CIA is is really holding on to this 
 information as it should be probably 
 like you know this is probably where it 
 should go it's suppose that's what they 
 do it's what they do a part of what they 
 do yeah but then they as I've mentioned 
 they've run misinformation and 
 disinformation campaigns on the American 
 public so how far does this really need 
 to go is that really necessary I mean 
 how long can you really sustain this 
 there's clearly people there that are 
 holding on to something they can't hold 
 on to for much 
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 longer CIA does not report to 
 Congress right they report in to the 
 executive ultimately to the executive 
 branch so they don't rely on Congress 
 for their 
 budget when when Congress says we want 
 to tell people that truth they're going 
 to have to get buy off from first 
 they're going to have to get it unclass 
 Declassified through the dod and then 
 they're going to have to get buy off 
 from the CIA ultimately the 
 President right so that brings us to the 
 to the next big tidbit of juicy gossip 
 that's happening which is that the big 
 push from this team and all of the 
 inform all the evidence matches the 
 information the big push from Chris 
 melon being the I think the most visible 
 and Power powerful face of this movement 
 but there's clearly people behind him is 
 to put the UFO disclosure issue into the 
 2024 election campaigns oh interesting 
 and it very much looks like that's 
 working oh man but I'd like to point out 
 that's going to that relies on us too 
 right like we have to we have to back 
 that play in the 
 public right so we talked about 
 identifying con artists and people on 
 the the other side people stalking these 
 whistleblowers on Twitter and trying to 
 make them look bad clearly look like 
 they're on the other side right right 
 there's always going to be that now y um 
 now that that's a really uh you know 
 it's pretty powerful topic there it uh 
 it instantly reminds me of Jimmy Carter 
 who was I believe the first president to 
 try to use U the UFO topic as an actual 
 campaign issue is that correct yeah I 
 think he might be the first you know he 
 he he witnessed a UFO uh as a governor 
 and there's a new book about this that's 
 causing a lot of stir um President 
 Carter and UFOs and he's he witnessed a 
 uh a UFO as a governor and then he said 
 okay I'm going to make this part of my 
 campaign that UFO disclosure should 
 finally happen right and then as the 
 tail goes he he he wasn't able to really 
 get the government to give up this 
 information so not even a president you 
 know had the ability to really get there 
 I think Bill Clinton mentioned this too 
 like he didn't he tried he said and then 
 Hillary Clinton was saying that she was 
 going to try to make this part of her 
 campaign and then a bunch of stuff came 
 out in her emails which were a big deal 
 about UFOs and um it involved the 
 Rockstar Tom and John podesta and all 
 that stuff like so oh yeah so they were 
 planning it looked like they were 
 planning some kind of disclosure at that 
 point too but with Carter he ended up as 
 the as The Story Goes and and and I hear 
 heard it from so many sources I I think 
 it's likely true uh he ends up getting 
 the the document finally because I guess 
 they all get some readout on this and in 
 you know side note m gorbachov 
 from the from USSR said that the premier 
 of Russia also gets a readout on this 
 and carries around information related 
 to this as well as nukes you know um 
 interesting yeah yeah so he get he 
 Carter got his readout on the UFO 
 phenomenon and it's important to note 
 that Carter was a devout Protestant 
 fundamentalist Christian right right so 
 imagine what this would do to your 
 worldview even if it was ETS it ETS 
 aren't written about in the Bible so if 
 you thought that's all the all all there 
 was that existed and then this hits you 
 it it's a big shake up yeah but if it's 
 anything close to what we're talking 
 about I'm 14 and winds and we're pretty 
 sure it is um you know it gets a lot 
 bigger than that so whatever it was it 
 was a shakeup and I I I still for what 
 it's worth I I don't want to get into 
 this right now but I think people can 
 still have faith and and all of this 
 stuff be true so it it shook him and 
 Carter uh started crying so well and the 
 book makes it clear he didn't say 
 started crying he said he came back in 
 the the the person who had gave him the 
 document came back in to get the 
 document and he was the tears were in 
 his eyes wow no kidding yeah yeah so it 
 shook him uh yeah and then that now he's 
 so koi about it he won't really talk 
 about it 
 um kind of acts like oh yeah that was 
 never a big part of my campaign like he 
 probably regrets it I'm 
 sure I'm sure he got that document right 
 right we whatever it was it was somber U 
 great I don't know I think that there's 
 also that that that's a good lead in 
 because what's what's ending up 
 happening through these UFO hearings is 
 a 
 disclosure so right when Kirk Patrick 
 came in one of the things that he said 
 that really got my goat was was oh this 
 won't happen through blogs and social 
 medias and and it will happen through 
 scientific papers and I was like 
 dude first of all you know scientific 
 papers require a 
 hypothesis 
 experimentation a conclusion you know 
 results like an event does 
 not right there's a type of a scientific 
 paper called a brief report which could 
 cover an event but an event does not 
 someone witnessing something does not if 
 you have a if you have a theory on what 
 this is it belongs in a paper right and 
 that's where we've been all this time 
 we're getting back to the podcast but 
 we've been working on a freaking paper 
 this whole time for peer review like so 
 I get it but anywhere like you don't 
 need a paper for an event like right 
 that's stupid and he knows that you know 
 he it was an attempt it was it was a it 
 was a crappy scholarly elitist 
 aristocratic attempt to throw cold water 
 on the subject right right and and you 
 could see I or at least I thought I saw 
 Jill brand visibly annoyed by 
 that and then he he you know he has to 
 go into the whole misidentification 
 thing which I'm like well we've already 
 covered that bro um right and then he 
 said something very interesting he 
 says and we have not encountered objects 
 that could not defy the laws of known 
 physics we have not yeah yeah in his 
 study huh and then he proceeds to show a 
 video of an orb flying with no visible 
 means of 
 propulsion no combustion flying out of 
 it and I'm I'm like okay well can I 
 think of ways you could make that orb do 
 that sure right you could too right 
 bones you're you're you're you're very 
 familiar with drn tech right like we 
 could figure that out 
 magnets right right like so he's playing 
 games with this you know like he's 
 playing games with this idea oh yeah 
 it's and that's the performative side of 
 it all and but and you know completely 
 uh ignoring the fact that you know the 
 reason the sample size is getting is 
 getting bigger too so and it seems to be 
 happening quicker or we're just finding 
 them uh easier I don't I don't know what 
 what the deal is but there is a reason 
 for these hearings there really is and 
 it's it's because this stuff is 
 happening more 
 often or these and if it's related to if 
 it's we don't know uh when I'm saying 
 this stuff it's really General but uh 
 we're talking about these uaps that have 
 that kind of come and go um Airline uh 
 Air Force pilots are seeing it enough 
 people have seen it there's there's a 
 sample size that's growing fast and it 
 needs needs to be out in the public so 
 we could just figure out what the heck 
 it is that's right and absolutely our 
 our paper corroborated that so you know 
 we'll see you know it'll come out for 
 peer review and and people can make of 
 it what they want but this paper you 
 know crypted sightings and those crypted 
 sightings are which are you know in our 
 view the ones we're interested in our 
 UFO related and those crypted sightings 
 are increasing by every measure right 
 and we tried to remove for the fact that 
 information is more accessible 
 now right so in you know we can all you 
 you see a huge rise in reports 
 paranormal reports and UFO reports as 
 soon as the internet gets going right 
 but you know what I would uh like to 
 leave everyone with a with an 
 interesting thought uh which is this 
 reporting has become easier for us this 
 phenomenon seems very aware of 
 us right so it seems to be aware that 
 we're able to record it because it can 
 change our technology in very unique and 
 sophisticated ways so I I I would guess 
 that it's it can see our data um right 
 if it can go in there and scrub a 
 picture which we've found instances 
 scrub one picture off of somebody's 
 camera uh phone camera like if it can do 
 that then um you know it can probably 
 look at our data so it's aware of what 
 we're doing and one thing that we should 
 all consider when it comes to this 
 disclosure event is how is the other 
 side going to react we don't really know 
 what this phenomenon is it's clearly 
 wanted to stay hidden the government's 
 gone all the world governments have gone 
 along with that because why would you 
 want to admit that there's something out 
 there that you can't explain sure and it 
 it it may defy some people's religions 
 or or it may you know get in the way of 
 any fundamentalist view of religion if 
 it's not written in there you know what 
 I mean so it could be extremely 
 disruptive to 
 definitely it will be yeah so and so 
 hope you know hopefully this uh slow 
 public discourse of it all will or maybe 
 it's it's part of a plan that uh it uh 
 having this slow discourse will um avoid 
 any type of you know massive public 
 Panic yeah or just or just disruption or 
 cultural disruption you know it's just 
 the implications are huge as a annoying 
 as this slow trickle of information is 
 like that the reasons for it are 
 starting to become more clear I think to 
 us right right um it's not to say it 
 should be held back like we're saying 
 yeah we get it there this is this is 
 some deep consequences but it's time 
 definitely well cool that was a good one 
 I like that uh this is this is going to 
 be a a growing story so I know we're 
 going to be talking about this a lot 
 yeah I think we'll come back and read 
 visit this one for sure all right so 
 that pretty much concludes our podcast 
 uh thanks for listening everyone thanks 
 romx for your uh insightful uh 
 banter but uh yeah it's always good 
 talking to you and um look forward to 
 doing it again good talking to you as 
 well looking forward to the next one 
 take care all 
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